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gotti line?

Discussion in 'American Bully' started by kblack177, Feb 8, 2009.

  1. kblack177

    kblack177 Little Dog

    i was on ajc and noticed these differnt breed lines like RAZOR'S EDGE and GOTTI LINE...whats the difference because the gotti lines were cheaper
     
  2. DieselDawg

    DieselDawg Good Dog

    Funny thing about the Gotti Line...it was started on "accident"...Richard Suarez is the "Gotti Guy"...funny thing is the Gottiline was started as a mistake. He purchased "Notorious Juan Gotti" from a guy named T. Moore and took him home. The pup (at about 7.5 months old) was left where he could get with an "in heat" female-"totally by accident". Suarez didn't realize (even tho he claimed 10 years of dog experience) that such a young pup could impregnate a female...lol. He liked the pups "looks" so much he kept going from there...
     
  3. chloesredboy2

    chloesredboy2 Good Dog

    Just out of curiosity,any idea about the blood of the bitch he "got to"?
     
  4. leharris

    leharris Big Dog

    I love gotti line. my romeo is 50% but his mom ic colb so hes APBT and ab mix. hes all mixd up but a great dog.



    hes 14 months
     

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  5. milew66623

    milew66623 Big Dog

    Not that it really matters, But gotti was purchased by Richard Barajas
     
  6. DieselDawg

    DieselDawg Good Dog

    I know his sire was Greyline Raider II and dam was Greyline Calle Love Bluegood. He only lived about 10 years himself but suppossedly Richard Barajas still has frozen sperm from NJG.
     
  7. kblack177

    kblack177 Little Dog

    ok i guess what im tryna ask is if its still an apbt?purebred?or is it mixed with like an english bulldog or something
     
  8. leharris

    leharris Big Dog

    Its an american bullie from what I have learned. the father of my pups papers said APBT. but it is a bullie line.
     
  9. kblack177

    kblack177 Little Dog

    wow this reali confuses me lol ill just stick with the apbt instead pf those short ones
     
  10. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    It is not an APBT.

    It is a breed called an American Bully, which is really still a breed in development, so, in many ways, they are still mix breed.
     
  11. milew66623

    milew66623 Big Dog

    Originally it was started by mixng the Amstaff an APBT which would be a cross/mix. Since those two have been seperate breeds for quite some time.

    Now to the question about it being mixed with enlish bulldog. Not every single bully is mixed with mastiff, bulldog, or whatever although some obvioulsy are. There are plenty of people on this forum with Ambullies that "look" like they have nothing other than Amstaff in the blood(as well as APBT). I just think it's pretty easy to tell if a dog has neo mastiff in the mix. Have you seen one of those things!:eek:
     
  12. milew66623

    milew66623 Big Dog

    I dodn't mean to quote you Cool hand, sorry.:o
     
  13. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    That's okay. :)
     
  14. DieselDawg

    DieselDawg Good Dog

    I do not think mixing APBTs and ASTs is going to result in an AmBully in ~13 years of breeding. It would more likely be done with an American Bulldog (Johnson Type...not Scott Type) and a Stafforshire Bull Terrier. From there who knows what was thrown in the mix! Then throw in possible breeding for achondroplasia...

    ***I am talking about the 'overdone" AmBullies you see on most websites. The initial AB/SBT mix (nor APBT/AST mix if you prefer) would not end up looking like the current overdone AmBullies***
     
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  15. mike jones

    mike jones Little Dog

    i agree , my dog is AB but came out lookin more AST OR APBT i wish AMERICAN BULLYS wernt mixed with any kind of massive or english bulldog,i think thats what makes them so deformed and stray away from what the AB to ''me'' should look like witch is a muscalar,big chest, large AST or APBT lookin looking dog
     
  16. milew66623

    milew66623 Big Dog

    I agree, I don't think ast/apbt would result in the short fat "bulldog" looking dogs, but if you look at ruger(wootness's boy) or Tank(Sammynicole9288's dog) and ^ Mikejones tank, IMO they do not look like they have american bulldog in them, but like I said it's just my opinion and you have more experience in that then I do. You don't think breeding ast/apbt over so long they would look something like that? And again, I also am not refering to the XXL's or lowriders.
     
  17. DieselDawg

    DieselDawg Good Dog

    With genetics, there could be many paths followed to get a phenotype AMBully (outward appearing). Genetics does not average certain genes for an end result. For instance, if you take a dog that is 24"-22" at the withers thru selective breeding and a dog that is 15"-17" at the withers thru selective breeding, you do not end up with a dog that is 18.5"-20.5" at the withers on initial breeding. You would most likely end up with all pups at 22"-24". The reason is that the taller dogs are, thru years of breedings, homozygous for genes that dictate a 22"-24" gene and assuming that the taller gene is dominant over the shorter gene, you will get phenotype results of taller dogs. But now you end up with some taller dogs that carry the recessive shorter gene. Upon subsequent breedings within the same closed population, you can end up with shorter and heavier dogs. Eventually thru selective breedings, you can make these new dogs homozygous for short and heavy. It would take a while, but now you would have dogs that only carried the shorter gene and the heavier gene. Now to get these dogs at 100+ pounds, you really could not take AST's and APBT's that average well under 100+ pounds and end up with AMBullys of that 100+ pounds.

    Now you might mix APBTs and ASTs for a start and them add either an AB and SBT ect. to get the desired results down the road...but the easier path would be to start out with a heavy dog and a short dog and breed for certain traits. You would have to run thru many generations to develope a homozygous population (where all the breed carries only the desired traits in dominant form) but it could be done.
     
  18. nwbully

    nwbully Little Dog

    Gottiline was started by richard Barajas lol cute story though.
     
  19. pennywise619

    pennywise619 Puppy

    My pup is 100% gotti and I love him. I really don't care what he is mixed with. He is also registered through ABKC and yes it took 3 weeks to get his paper work...
     
  20. andy88

    andy88 Puppy

    bully

    my re is about 18in &about 75lbs@ 15 months looks like a heavy ast just the way i likem
     

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