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Gotti and Razors Edge?

Discussion in 'American Bully' started by speedfreak, Sep 1, 2010.

  1. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Man, would like to know who THOSE UKC judges were that gave the dog points!

    Carla
     
  2. phbullies

    phbullies Big Dog

    Ahh Carla. The UKC shows a different "type" of apbt, I'm sure you know that. If I were you I wouldn't worry about it too much unless I start posting ADBA ch pictures. Like it or not according to UKC standards, my dogs are conformationally sound enough to have competed and YES even have won. Now if they were showcasing fine boned and rangy dogs there I'm sure your dogs would do better. But we've had this conversation before so you must have missed me...I'm flattered.
     
  3. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    There are many UKC and AKC judges that have NO IDEA what the Standards say....why in the world do you think that in both registries heavy-boned, thick, very stocky, over-muscled dogs are winning more and more?

    I've talked to some of these judges outside the shows.....many have NO CLUE.

    I'm just saying -- championships in both registries mean very little by themselves and I don't like the way that many people point to such a championship as evidence of "meeting the Standard".

    Carla
     
  4. phbullies

    phbullies Big Dog

    Earning a conformation championship in either registry means that you've actually put the time and effort in to work with your dog and that dog is deemed worthy by judges (many of which are apbt breeders) to meet the standard close enough to earn said ch. Some people always got something to say but I'm out there DOING something with the dogs and they ARE worthy of their titles. Poo poo them if you want.
     
  5. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    No, it's the JUDGES that are the problem.

    Carla
     
  6. phbullies

    phbullies Big Dog

    K ;). Hey, I know... on the UKC website it tells how to become a UKC judge. Maybe you could check into that and see how qualifications are met. I know you do something with your dogs, in what registry is that, and do you ever attend UKC events? Wondering because other than being the best looking dogs in the ring, mine have never looked out of place there. Maybe things are different in your neck of the woods. I still say you missed me.
     
  7. bluestark

    bluestark American Bully Moderator

    Carla, do you mind posting pics of dogs YOU think should have UKC titles?
    I have personally never been to a UKC show. None ever come around here. But when I read the standard Bonnie and my Dozer is what I think. Bubbles, as much as I absolutely LOVE her, may be a little too big for my thoughts on UKC dogs. But if it is what many different judges decide, then it is what they decide. I know as far as points go, to earn a CH you have been show under two or three different judges to acclaim a title. With that said Bubbles and all PH's dogs friggin deserve it!
     
  8. Rainmaker

    Rainmaker Banned

    Even on people we have standards on what is beautiful or not. That's why we carry it over to any animal. There will be confusion at first on what is right and what's not to fit the standards, and I believe that is where clubs started and come up with a set standards for the breed. So for what it's worth.. having a dog that met certain standards of a club and get a title from any club deserves respect to the dog and the efforts of the owner.

    I also don't like the thing about dogshow that there is a big human intervention and this is susceptible to human and "dirty politics" main reason I quit the show, and goes back to my sport. Where in the no judge can stop your dog from winning.. it's your dog who will decide.
     
  9. phbullies

    phbullies Big Dog

    Know what you mean about human intervention. I've thought about weight pulling for those same reasons, no judge no opinion just pull or not.
     
  10. Rainmaker

    Rainmaker Banned

    I actually haven't tried that but I will sooner or later.. I remember having the goosebumps feeling when I seen a dog in one dogshow with weight pull event that pulls and set record on that show. Remembering the feeling of seeing the gamest scratch I've seen. Then I told myself, "what am I doing here just modeling my dog? This dog need to work!" :lol:

    I already got a prospect for that. A very obedient dog and very intense in his own way. Maybe after his campaign.. I just want a Ch title.. if he curs out (hope not) he will have an early career in weight pulling. If he still won't do good on that, I'll just finish his ob and pp training then just be a guard/house dog.
     
  11. RAZOR EDGE GIRL

    RAZOR EDGE GIRL Little Dog

    PH wow I Love you Gotti girl.. she is to die for that is a tru gotti!
     
  12. phbullies

    phbullies Big Dog

    Thank you REG!
     
  13. Rogue Bullies

    Rogue Bullies Good Dog

    I like this site a lot it goes through step by step on how the APBT should ideally look and how to find faults etc.

    American Pit Bull Terrier Network Pit Bull Encyclopedia A to Z about the APBT

    For your ambullies, I would say if I were a judge of APBT that they are more bulky and over done than what the standard asks of. But that is why they are ambullies and not APBTs correct? They are nice looking dogs, they don't seem to have fault they are just bigger than what an APBT should be.
     
  14. phbullies

    phbullies Big Dog

    They are ambullies because of their bloodlines. That to me is it. Chief has continued to grow since earning his UKC championship (as an apbt) at just over a year and is too big now imo for the UKC ring although he has two wins in the ch class ( 3 more would grch him). I am showing him as an amblly in the ABKC and I know he will finish there also. My girls however could continue to show and compete in the ch class at UKC shows and would grand imo. I've shown at the Premire UKC's "big" show where the top ten conformation apbt's are and Bubbles and Bonnie would (Bubbles has :)) hold their own. Everyone has an opinion and in mine the girls are not overdone. Keep in mind I showed UKC I know that they'd NEVER get a second look in the ADBA, but everyone knows these clubs are show casing different "types" of dogs. At the same time they'd kick ass in the ABKC as classic ambullies and the only reason I'd show them there is again their bloodlines. I am very proud of my dogs and their accomplishments. Thank you for the compliments!
     
  15. bluestark

    bluestark American Bully Moderator

    PH, I totally agree. Everyone wants to say thats not APBT by bloodline. FINE, so be it. But conformation wise if it still is Classic or close to it, why not show UKC. Hell, UKC may be leaning towards APBT UKC style should look like this, not some 30 lb thin dog.
     
  16. Rogue Bullies

    Rogue Bullies Good Dog

    Aren't ambullies mixed with other breeds besides APBT and amstaff?
     
  17. phbullies

    phbullies Big Dog

    Anything other than that mix I personally don't call an ambully. That being said I'm sure that there are other mixes out there. Original ambully or classics are or at least resemble the apbt x amstaff mix. Which is totally ridiculous in its self since dogs have been registered as both since the beginning. There have always been different types or looks within these breeds and the types that show have in the AKC and UKC been larger than the types shown elsewhere. Thats not my opinion its a fact.
     
  18. Rogue Bullies

    Rogue Bullies Good Dog

    Yeah your dogs look to be the APBT x Amstaff, however most of the bullies I see are mixed with mastiff, bulldog, cane corso or some other sorts of breeds. It just gets so confusing, its like you never know if anything is pure or not anymore. That was the only problem I had with the whole UKC ambully thing is that some of them have or seem to have other breeds in them and are being pull off as APBTs.
     
  19. bluestark

    bluestark American Bully Moderator

    What other breeds do you believe are in UKC APBTs
     
  20. phbullies

    phbullies Big Dog

    Bluestark there are a lot of people advertising their pockets and xls as "PR" and that means only one thing...UKC apbt. These dogs would be excused at a UKC show on conformation alone yet my dogs get caught up being excused because of their bloodline. Believe me they got what it takes as far as conformation and movement :) By the way none of my dogs have ever been excused in the show ring I was talking about the you know who's on the other side of the board.
     

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