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Gotti and Razors Edge?

Discussion in 'American Bully' started by speedfreak, Sep 1, 2010.

  1. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    DA is dog aggresive!!!! See i am learning too. LOL

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    I just noticed your location.... lol

    I was just in Anniston a couple of weeks ago. I was born there and go back often to visit friends.
  2. hogar

    hogar Good Dog

    DA is Dog Aggressive
    Ha is Human Aggressive

    That is one of the biggest issues the APBT people have with the Ambully is that they call them APBT instead of Ambullys some are starting to call them what they are but many are riding the coat tails of the APBT name to make a dollar
  3. speedfreak

    speedfreak Puppy

    Ok ya'll here's the story. I know it sounds severly 'redneck' but they're my cousins' dogs, he's had the male (Cain) for 5 years and the female (Sasha) for 3. They, especially cain, are beautiful dogs, built nice with plenty of muscle but much more athletic than an English (I have a massive soft spot for English Bulldogs). He's always referred to them as Pitbulls and has explained their 'double registry' to me and all about the UKC and all that good stuff. I went over to see him and the new puppies he was so excited about, no intentions whatsoever of buying a dog. Out of those 5 blue and 2 tan/buckskin pups one tan one came over and whined at me, and I picked him up, and he chewed on my thumb, and he looked at me with those blue eyes, and after I put him back in the pen with the rest he followed me around the egde of the fence every time I moved... and I had to have him dammit!!:mad: When I went to see him the second time he did the same thing, when they all laid down to nap and I moved to another side of the pen, he got up, walked over and laid down against the fence right in front of me; every time I moved he moved with me. So it don't matter what his breed or blood is, he's mine, I just want to make sure that what I'm reading about is about him and I'm not 'learning' the wrong thing. Thanks for straightening me out, now I have to figure out what's going on with his 'registry'...
  4. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    Well I know that I am one of the people that constantly says that I own 2 Ambullies. I don't have APBT's but when will it be noticed by the Kennel clubs? And when it does will be able to have it changed? Paper wise
  5. hogar

    hogar Good Dog

    The American Bully Registry

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    Maybe that will help
    I am sure some of the Ambully people can help you as well
  6. bluestark

    bluestark American Bully Moderator

    There are quite a few registries that recognize the American Bully now days. Lets see
    APBA, ABKC (which what I use), ummm I really can't think of the others, as I only use one.
    This is honestly what you and the person owning the pups need to do.
    Tell the owner to register the mom and dad with ABKC or your choice of registry that accepts AMBULLIES! Then register the litter of pups with them also. Will probably cost that owner about 50 or 60 to register them all. Then you will already have American Bully papers. OR:
    When you get your UKC papers, copy them and send them in with you single registry for ABKC or whatever registry you decide, and then trash the UKC papers.

    That is what I am doing when I get all mine transferred over. Every single one of mine will be transferred, and I might keep the UKC to just reference if I ever need them, but would never show or register pups under them. The only one I could even show under them would be Dozer, he is a classic American Bully.
  7. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    Okay, great. I took my questions to the Ambully section to not take up any more of this thread. But thank you for the answer.
  8. PatienceFlame

    PatienceFlame Good Dog

    I thought UKC no longer accepts dual registry and single registries? I read somewhere in this thread that the pups were dual and well..didn't they stop that awhile ago?? correct me if I am wrong on that I get confused. xD and..i am not with UKC so idk jack about that

    RAZOR EDGE GIRL Little Dog


    Razors Edge was created in MD and in Washington DC by Dave Wilson and Carlos Barksdale. They started out with game dogs. They started by researching information on American Pit Bull Terriers in order to start the line "Razor edge bloodline". They subscribed to many dog magazines like the ADBA Gazette, even some underground ones that were not as popular. They contacted many breedings to find out information about the breed and how to start a bloodline, If it said Pit Bull, they were researching about it. At the time they owned a few Back Yard Bred non-papered american pitbulls. They even had there own Pit club & went hiking and camping in the woods. Eventually they got enough money together to get some decent papered, decent bloodline, game bred dogs. They purchased some of the best game bred dogs that were available at the time. They even paid $3500 way back then for a Grandson of the great "Plumbers Alligator", mainly Mayfield lines. Dave and Carlos were very heavy into the game lines and had dogs from Hemphill to Wilder blood. These were big game dogs and very well known. You could say they were the Remy Martin's and Juan Gotty's of the game dogs.

    Later on they got in contact with George Williams in Washington DC. They purchased a dog they named Diablo, from Wildside Kennels. Diablo's sire was a bigger catch dog, by the name of "Hollinsworth Bull". His dam was a game girl names "Wildsides Ms.Leaky". This was the turn around time when Razors Edge started adding more size, bone, and structure to their program. The first ever registered "ADBA" Razors Edge breeding was from his Mayfield sire Zeus to a Mayfield bitch name Jinx. Jinx was actually given to friend back then named Curt Plater, now goes by CLP Kennels. Curt owned the first ever Razors Edge Registered dog. They would lose contact with him after this for many years before hooking up again. They banned Pits in PG County and Dave was forced to move out of the area. Eventually through Dave’s job in the Pet Store industry he landed a mangers job at a Pet Store in Virginia. He had to move to Virginia and still resides there as Razors Edge Kennel.

    Dave Wilson of Razor’s Edge Kennels set out to develop a line of dogs that many today believe to be one of the most significant undertakings in the history of our beloved breed, the American Pit Bull Terrier. When Young Dave Wilson began breeding dogs, the name Razor Edge was one of anonymity. Dave was determined however to put the name Razors Edge on the map. How could he accomplish that? Well it wouldn’t be easy. You see when Dave first started breeding Pit Bulls; there were already a number of various well established Pitbull “Bloodlines”, each with its own uniqueness, with its own qualities and characteristics. To the untrained eye, they looked much the same. Yet to the experienced breeder such as Dave Wilson, it was not the similarities, but the differences that caught Dave’s eye. And it was in these differences that Dave saw an opportunity. Dave toured the country going from one breeder to the next. Looking for certain characteristics, certain features that he would use in time to create a breed of Pit Bull that would carry the Razor Edge banner. The process was long and arduous. But yet, with carefully planned, well chosen breedings, Dave Wilson was able to create in a period of seven generations the model by which Razor’s Edge Pitbulls are measured today.
    Razor Edge Bloodlines

    20 years ago, Razors Edge Kennel was simply an idea, a dream in the mind of Dave Wilson. Today, Razor Edge Bloodlines are the most sought after bloodlines in the world. In fact often times demanding and fetching prices double and triple that of any other “PitBull” Bloodline. And therein lays the story that often comes with success; as one achieves and reaches the pinnacle of success it is often without controversy. And Razor’s Edge has certainly had it's share, as many others who have excelled in any given endeavor can testify to. For whatever reason, possibly simply human nature, many have a hard time excepting that others are able to do what they cannot. Instead of attributing the success to hard work, vision and business smarts, they would rather think that he must of cheated somehow. And with that, new stories are created nearly every day, in the attempt to soil the name of Razor Edge. But Yet, with every brick of falsehood that is thrown at Dave Wilson he takes delight in the words of another famous visionary who said: “A successful person is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him or her”. Today, tens of thousands of people who own Razor’s Edge dogs take delight in Dave Wilson and his vision of the ultimate version of “man’s best friend”.
    I cannot begin to tell you the joy it brings, to walk down the road with a Blue Razor’s Edge Pitbull at your side. Try it and see how far you get without someone stopping to inquire and to gaze. Without a doubt your decision to purchase Razor Edge Pitbull puppies from LCP will bring you many years of joy. And no doubt you too, will take delight each time you are approached and asked what kind of dog is that! Thanks Dave!

    Gottiline was founded by Richard Barajas of West Side Kennels. He is the owner of Gottiline's foundation sire, "The Notorious Juan Gotty". In 1997, he purchased Gotty from a gentleman by the name of Tony Moore. (Tony Moore is the owner of Gray Line Kennels in Los Angeles, California. The foundation bitch of Greyline was the late Showtime. Showtime is the producer of Gotty's father, 'PR' Greyline's Raider 2.) He purchase Gotty for the amount of $1,300. When Gotty was approximately 7 weeks old his sire, "Raider" passed away. When Gotty was 7 months he sired his first litter. He went on to produce many foundation males and females including Coldens Blue Rhino, and Felony (The sire and dam of 21 Blackjack), New Troijan's Dillenger, Pate's Blue Beast, Gottiline's Monster, Do Good Big Boy, and Westside's Capone just to name a few. Gotty is the sire of nearly 650 U.K.C. registered American Pit Bull Terriers. Since 1997, Gottiline has spread across the USA, Canada, China, the Philippines, and Japan. Juan Gotty will go down in history as one of the greatest dogs in the bully style movement.

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    and their it is razor vrs.... Gotti!!!!
  10. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    Thank you very much for that history lesson. Now I see why it is cool to have them.
    Its things like this that make me relize why I join sites like this. Never ending, bottomless pit of knowledge.
  11. i didn't know all of that about gotti so are they 'pure' american bullies?most gotti dogs i see look directly like english bulldogs.now don't get me wrong i'm not saying that some razor edge dogs dont but most gotti dogs i've seen does look exactly like english bulldogs.
  12. bluestark

    bluestark American Bully Moderator

    SMK, if you weren't there or don't say dogs in general, leave that out. I know SOME look like they COULD have it in them. But neither you nor I were there to see it, and let someone look and see what they think. Check out PHPits Gotti girl, she is the cleanest Gotti dog I have seen in a while. So while I know you said a lot look mixed with EB. Please watch what you say, as something you say could affend someone that it really shouldn't
  13. phbullies

    phbullies Big Dog

    Thank you! Bubbles is 100% gotti. The sad truth is both major ambully lines are morphing into freakshows. There are some nice examples of both out there but they're getting fewer and farther between.
  14. bluestark

    bluestark American Bully Moderator

    Jerry, post the full bodied pic. I LOVE THAT ONE! When you getting new pictures of that gorgeous girl?
  15. phbullies

    phbullies Big Dog

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    Here are a couple. I'm gonna get some new pics this month, when it gets cool enough out to get some good action shots! Till then heres my Bubs, a gotti girl who's got it all!
  16. Rainmaker

    Rainmaker Banned

    You're lying! That dog is a male :D

    I like that facial expression of your dogs.
  17. bluestark

    bluestark American Bully Moderator

    Rain, nope that is all woman!
  18. Rainmaker

    Rainmaker Banned

    Haha! I know.. just fooling around. But she sure look like she-male, as the bully scene would like to put it. ;)
  19. bluestark

    bluestark American Bully Moderator

    Oh yes, she could whoop those boys asses in the ring too probably. LOL She is just one dang good example of Gotti bloodline.
  20. phbullies

    phbullies Big Dog

    Here are my girls again Bubbles and Bonnie. Thank you for the compliments. I posted this pic to show that not only is Bubbles a ch in her own right (ukc) but she has produced ch as well! Bubbles is Bonnie's mom who is also a ch (ukc) and at least 75% gotti herself. The litter that was produced from the Chief x Bubbles breeding I'd stack up to ANY as far as conformation goes. All 75% gotti. Believe it or not, not one of em looks like an eb mix and I got the pics to prove it. That facial expression has alot to do with the "type" of dogs I like best, thats the PowerHaus look Rainmaker lol! Thanks again!!
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