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For the members that believe is pure genetics, would you feel comfortable leaving

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by R & B, May 23, 2008.

  1. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Administrator

    I have to ask......Ok, you train your dog perfectly. You do everything the right way. You have the perfect dog. All of a sudden, your dog starts attacking humans. You raised him the right way. He's healthy. Why is he suddenly HA?
  2. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    Not sure never have had that problem and hope I don't, but I can say this...I raised my son and I can't say I was the perfect mother but I raised him very well, one day at about the age of 19 he was busted for selling drugs and carring a wepon, why did he do this? Beats me it was not genetic, his father not I or anyone in the family for that matter ever did anything like that.

    I can't explain why the dog is suddenly HA no more then I can explain my son. Maybe just maybe HA can be genetic just like some human illnesses but I do not think that it is always the case. I feel that a lot of dogs and humans for that matter are HA because of the way they are treated.
  3. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    Maybe I should have stated it like this "I do not believe that all HA dogs are HA because of genetics"
  4. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    Animals and humans....no comparison!
  5. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    Your telling me......Animals are more trusting ...lol J/K :D

    You must have missed where I wrote ....

    You know sometimes there comes a point where it is okay to agree to disagree. Like I said I have never had that problem and hope I don't. I am not saying anyone is wrong here. I just really do not know having not expiranced it for myself.

    I have no clue as to why some dogs are HA no matter what the breed. I use to have snakes and I would not dare leave a small child with one, not even our big Boa named Cuddles...:D
  6. Starla'smom

    Starla'smom Puppy

    For the record...I would NEVER leave a child alone with ANY dog or any breed/size/temperment. Too many possibilities for accidental injury to both dog and kid.

    I just scanned (poorly) and posted that pic of my grandpa because, at that time and in that culture, pit bulls and various herding dogs were used to "babysit" the children while parents were out working their land. Also, let's face it, its a GREAT picture! =)
  7. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    "A 13-foot 20 kg Burmese python killed a 19-year-old man in The Bronx, New York in 1996. A neighbor found him in a hallway outside his apartment with the snake wrapped around him."


    I was taught to never gamble with what you can't afford to lose. Money , freedom , your life & most important your children.

    Not all severe bites are caused by aggression. IMO . Some can result from the dog playing tug of war , without actually realizing the severity of their actions. I can't say for sure , but I wouldn't trust it. I'm sure that there are dogs that would be fine with an unattended child , but I just wouldn't do it personally.

    I also agree that there are plenty of humans that would be far worse to leave a child unattended with.

    ( See : MEGAN's LIST for a partial listing of the ones in your area.)

  8. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    Naw....I did not miss it, I was just referring to the bold blue in your other post.
  9. pitchik

    pitchik Good Dog

    because something-SOMETHING has set him off. A medical problem(tumor,etc) he was provoked-that's a big one. Playing too rough. Something happened-there is an excuse.

    I have a peke. he is 10 yo now. he is the most HA dog I have ever seen. not to everyone, but he has little dog syndrom.

    he wasnt always like this. Up until about 5 years ago, he was loving and gentle. Then suddenly-he changed.

    The reason? I found out that several "aquaintences" were kicking him when they came over. teasing him stealing his food when we werent there. Apparantly, they thought it was cute to see a little dog freak and wanna kill.

    he hasnt been the same since. Was he bred genetically HA? No. he was taught to be untrusting to people that come over. he was taught to be possessive of everything in the home to visitors. And he had to be HA to get his point across.

    he doesnt bite me. He doesnt bite my husband-but if ANYONE else tell him "Im gonna get......" he goes crazy!

    Not HA, not by genetics at least...
  10. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Administrator

    I disagree. HA is genetics, 99% of the time. That one percent i'll give you for medical, provoked, etc.
  11. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    I'll explain..............most of the time it isn't the dog that you can't trust.........it's the freakin' kid!!! ;)
  12. pitchik

    pitchik Good Dog


    When Dixies litter was born, my son was just out from school. He RAISED them pups all summer long, home while we worked. Never a problem with Dixie or any of the pups. And one pup was disabled. My son was 13 yo.

    I make sure the dogs are either up or well supervised if he has company-because you never know what provoking the kids will do. But as for my kids-home alone-no problem-because my son is responsible! AND I trust my dogs better then any sitter!
  13. Mollie's Nana

    Mollie's Nana Krypto Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    well, I know when Mollie was a pup, I was feeding her a treat, and holding one end (like a dummy), she bit clear thru my thumbnail... but didn't mean to. This weekend, when she had the anal gland problem, I held her down (by myself) and poked it with a needle to let it drain, she yelped and whined, but didn't try to bit me. The vet gave me meds to put inside the anal gland, she doesn't like it, but hasn't tried to bite me over it. I trust her more around kids than I do my Shih Tzu, but I wouldn't leave any of my dogs alone with little kids... like boogie said, you can't always trust the kid not to try to pull their tail, or poke them. I trust Mollie 100%, but I'm also not stupid, and do not want to become another "bad pit story" on the 6:00 news, so I wouldn't leave her alone for her own protection, and the protection of the breeds reputation.

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