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Flirt pole/spring pole for pups

Discussion in 'Pit Bull Puppy Discussions' started by Capt. Roxy, Aug 1, 2016.

  1. Capt. Roxy

    Capt. Roxy Good Dog Premium Member

    Hey all,
    My high energetic 10 month old loves to tug and chase. Someone had mentioned a flirt pole or spring pole would be great for her. I have never actually used either of those toys before but I was also told not to let her run around too much, jump, or even walk long distance due to her bones still growing. Is this something I should save for when she is 12-18 months old or is this something we can do starting now but limited time? She tries to catch butterflies in her mouth and frequently I have to stop her from jumping. She's a jumper. Loves to jump. Loves to run!
    Thanks!
     
  2. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs OHMUHGERD Staff Member Administrator

    Your dog is plenty old enough to do light work. I can't keep Broly on the ground either, don't feel bad. I try to avoid it when i can but he still does it. The biggest thing is no really sharp turns and try too keep the jumping to a minimal and if you put em on a spring pole, i like to have the back legs on the ground at all times, some people like all 4 on the ground. Just use commonsense and watch your dog, you will know when she has had enough.

    As far as running and walking? Pfftt... Both of my dogs have been allowed too be dogs since i brought them home, some people get overcautious and don't let a dog be a dog, even if it's a pup, let a pup be a pup! Trin has been playing fetch since she was a puppy and that means, running the full length of the yard (about 40 yards) and back until her tongue is hanging out the side of her mouth, she loves it and grew up and matured just fine.

    It really will depend on the dog though, each one is different, Broly is really intense and has a SH!T ton of drive so he requires more exercise than say a dog like Trin.
     
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  3. Pamela Bates

    Pamela Bates Little Dog

    I agree with St@ffy, a tired puppy is a happy puppy.
     
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  4. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    That's me. I'm "overly cautious". It's because I've seen first hand what too much exercise does to a growing puppy. And I've read the studies that state you need to slow it down. I get that puppies have energy but let them off the ground with a flirt or spring pole at your own risk. You're the one that has to pay for the medical treatment later. Not me.

    You can't always control them. But there's a marked difference between "letting a dog be a dog" and letting the dog leap around trying to catch a bait that should be on the ground, not flung in the air.

    I've posted this to you before, Roxy, but will do so again. http://www.vsoak.com/web/images/stories/pdf/Orthopedic Problems in the Immature Dog.pdf
     
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  5. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs OHMUHGERD Staff Member Administrator

    I agree, which is why i stated to try and keep the dog on the ground as much as possible and keep it too "light work". With my male, the bait/tease pretty much lives on the ground but he will still jump. IMHO you can't be cautious enough when it comes too flirting and young dogs, i was talking more about the walking and running and even then you would still need to monitor the activity depending on age. At 10 months though? Let em run as much as they want lol.
     
  6. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    I'm with you. Let them run, but do so off-leash (in a fenced in area) so the dog isn't being led to running, even if he's willing... If that makes sense. A dog will run for miles, even if he's tired simply because his owner is asking him to. These bull breeds especially, so it's just important to not overdo it when they're young.
     
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  7. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs OHMUHGERD Staff Member Administrator

    Totally agree! It helps when you know your dog and his body language. From my own experience, each dog really is different when it comes to limits and knowing the dog you are working is important. I feel like that is something that should be mentioned as well, know the dog you are working and knowing the limits. I would never want too burn a dog out or get it too the point where it can't recover, that is foolish and ignorant.
     
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  8. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    I'm glad we agree! I wasn't trying to pick a fight. The wording was throwing me off a little. But I think you and I are on the same page.

    My dog is a 12 year old nutjob. I'll wear him out. He'll take a 5 min nap and be up and ready to go again. I do have to actually stop him and not let him go further because he doesn't know when to stop. Especially if I bring the flirt pole out. Omg, he's a crazy friggen animal lol
     
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  9. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs OHMUHGERD Staff Member Administrator

    I was getting ready too post the same thing haha! about the post and the dog. Broly is a machine but he is young, so i keep it too short sessions, just more often for now, unless he is running, i will let him run around in the yard until he quits or it's too hot out because sometimes, he won't quit lol and when it's hot, those sessions are kept to a minimal, it sounds like you know exactly what i mean and god forbid you get "the" toy out. He will stand there and look at me after i am tired and i'm just like, ok this is enough lol.

    Mind you this happens several times throughout the day lol. He will come in relax and a few hours later, he sits up, starts grunting and staring at me, i know what he wants, he wants outside lol.
     
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  10. Pamela Bates

    Pamela Bates Little Dog

    _unoriginal, what do you feed your dog lol
     
  11. Leslie H

    Leslie H Good Dog

    I see people really encouraging young dogs to put a lot of torque on young pup's bodies, so I agree w/the advice of keeping all 4 on the ground, and not encouraging tight turns.
    Don't forget that metal effort is just as tiring as physical activity. So mix it up with fun training games, just a few minutes a session. Wip went for a walk on leash this am (0.8 miles) came out and "helped" during Scheme's weight pull and played tug w/her after. Then she had a "Foundations for Fun" class, and worked on tugging and retrieve (we have no retrieve), releases, stays and waits, and a little recall. And we shaped a behavior. Now I have a 4 month old puppy snoozing at my side.
     
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  12. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    I feed 100% raw PMR diet.
     
  13. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs OHMUHGERD Staff Member Administrator

    I always start our sessions with obedience and other things too stimulate the mind. We have a good recall ( have had for awhile now), sit, down, circle (both ways) and been working on a place and retrieve but if Broly don't do it yet ans im ok with that because Trin will hehe. Also been working with him on finding things, he likes too use his nose a lot and he knows the command "find" now so that is something new we been working on.

    I haven't really seen anyone pressuring people though...
     
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  14. Leslie H

    Leslie H Good Dog

    Sorry, I was unclear. I see people (videos, photos), encouraging their young pups, not encouraging/pressuring other people to do it.
     
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  15. Pamela Bates

    Pamela Bates Little Dog

    Not familiar with the PMR diet, but my vet recommends Taste of the Wild which I mix with their dry food in the evenings.
     
  16. TWadeJ

    TWadeJ Big Dog

    What do you mean? TOTW IS dry food. PMR is prey model raw - the best in my opinion.
     
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  17. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    PMR is a model of raw feeding that is only animal products, no vegetation whatsoever.

    But let's try not to get too far off topic here. We have a raw feeding section if you have questions.
     
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  18. Pamela Bates

    Pamela Bates Little Dog

    They have wet food which is what I use
     
  19. Capt. Roxy

    Capt. Roxy Good Dog Premium Member

    Hi all, thank you so much for your replies!
    She does run around the back yard off leash and we play ball at least 2x a day. She loves to fetch and catch! I do try to keep the jumping to a minimum because she tries to jump really high but I do let her run around crazy in the backyard because she doesn't run around constantly. She tends to stop and do body slams into the floor... Lol and then up she goes again when she's ready. I was torn because 2 of her vets she's seen discouraged flirt pole playing and absolutely no spring pole until she is over 12 months of age and then our current vet said it's fine as long as she's having fun and not exhausted. I will get her a flirt pole but I will drag it on the floor until she's a bit older since she tends to think she's a frog dog.
    Again, thank you everyone! :)

    Staffy- Broly sounds like a boy version of Roxy. Haha Aren't they around the same age as well? Or was that Max and Boa... So many pups!!!
     
  20. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs OHMUHGERD Staff Member Administrator

    He is 7 months, pretty close hehe!

    Just think in terms of moderation and limitations on the work right now. Some vets have no real understanding of this breed and when some people think flirt pole, they think of this.

    flirt pole.jpg

    You do not have too do that too work the dog and use a flirt pole, just drag it around on the ground or close too the ground, when the prey drive is high and the dog is intense, you have to be fast or you will basically just have a dog that catches it every few seconds and you might as well just play tug lol. Also a good time for a good "release" command. I let my dogs have it for a few then the command is given. In some of my videos you can't hear me saying commands as i have music playing but if you watch my mouth, i am always using praise and commands and some finger snapping when needed.
     
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