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Ex-Fighting dogs... Reform or euthanize?

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by PNWPBR, Aug 3, 2007.

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  1. Rehabilitate, ALL dogs deserve a loving home!

    110 vote(s)
    84.0%
  2. Euthanize, there are too many dogs out there with a better "history" that need homes too!

    21 vote(s)
    16.0%
  1. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    Well, she first tried giving them away over the internet using a "pit bull" forum as her venue. And this was BEFORE the trial ever happened.:no2:

    Josiesmoma, there is nothing to rehabilitate. Does a cat that killed a mouse need rehabilitating before it gets rehomed?
     
  2. jhess04

    jhess04 Puppy

    I saw the Special on the Vick dogs that were sent out to Dogtown, and it was absolutely amazing how these dogs were transformed. The dog that was deemed unadoptable and not allowed to ever be adopted out -- is the sweetest thing. God Bless the people who have the patience and knowledge to rehabilitate aggressive dogs. I think every dog does deserve a warm, loving home!
     
  3. Lowlife

    Lowlife Big Dog

    In you opinion, jhess04, what exactly needs to be rehabilitated?
     
  4. ben brockton

    ben brockton Little Dog

    IMO people the ones that need the rehabilitation.
     
  5. Prophecy

    Prophecy Good Dog

    Thats a tough question to answer,because each dog and each case is individual. Where some fighting dogs,could definatly be rehabbed and placed safely in society. Others may be to damaged to rehab safely enuff to be placed.
    I would say ''give each dog a chance to be rehabbed if at all possible,but dont set the dog up to fail or pose a risk to other pets if it is past a manageable level.''

    ---------- Post added at 06:32 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:21 AM ----------

    And what i mean by rehabbed is ''control the agressiveness to other dogs in public'' not that there is anything wrong with a pit bulls instincts,it was bred as a gladiator,it just does not need to be on another's pet and give more pit bulls a bad name.There are ways to satisfy the inherited instincts of a pit bull,to some degree,without causing harm to the neighbor's yorkie.
     
  6. aroz

    aroz Little Dog

    There is nothing to be rehabilitated in a fighting dog if it is just dog agressive. That is a normal trait in an APBT especially a game bred one.

    Dogs that are HA should be euthanized and that's it.

    APBTs and pit dogs should be submissive to humans and I'm sure many proven pit dogs are safer around children than many dogs of other breeds that shelters adopt out.
     
  7. Lotsapits

    Lotsapits Big Dog

    Jeeze, I am tired after reading all these pages.
    NO need to rehab, reform, or any other "RE". It is genetics. Maybe the dog was never around anything but another DA dog.?? Give it a try. Mine will try to kill a strange dog but love each other, kids and kittens. ( Adult males excluded from each other.)
    Real HA is non excusable. Not talking about an excited nip.
    The right owner is the key. However, the right owner to SOME people may NOT realistically be the right owner.
    There are days that I think all owners should have to take a written and oral test before owning a dog period, much less one of this breed.
    I would rather have one PTS rather than be put in the wrong hands to become a statistic though, but I do believe in trying to find the right home.
     
  8. tonina

    tonina Puppy

    poor doggies! though u will hav to take xtras cair i sipose but i wouldnt want them to b put down no way
     
  9. No one

    No one Big Dog

    You don't hear of Game_bred dogs attacking anyone, the AR nutters and the news would have you think that but it's the cross breed causing the drama not the game-dogs :(
     
  10. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Have the dog under your physical control. Simple. The solution lies with the person. If you don't accept and manage a level of/possibility of DA, then don't own one of these dogs.
     
  11. I think a problem even with experienced owners of DA dogs (of any breed) is the fact that we are all human and accidents happen. When a dog under your control kills another dog its done and you cannot take that act back. Kinda like a bullet?

    The trauma from witnessing an accident where a dog is killed by a DA dog for "regular people" is usually severe. I would not wish it on anyone.

    Personally, my thoughts have changed over the years about my ownership of DA dogs..I have owned and worked with many... I prefer not to own them in the future and most certainly will not rehome them anymore. That being said, I do still own several dogs that can be DA to certain dogs.. but cohabit with other dogs and cats in the family. Even the most trustworthy dogs of a fighting breed may at some time in their life fight. There is no guarantees. You have to think ahead and prevent a potential scrap before it happens.

    What I have seen in cases where a DA dog has killed or hurt another dog is the rampant thoughts from the (victims & courts) people involved worried about the dog being aggressive to humans in the future.. of course the general public does not understand DA and HA are two separate things.. it is a real fear for them. I think we have a responsibility to educate people about these differences in DA and HA in a rational manner.
     
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  12. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    I think your statement would be better as follows:

    Even the most trustworthy dogs may at some time in their life fight.

    ALL dogs will fight if the circumstances and/or reasons are there. And many dogs DO end up in scuffles at some point in their lives whether it's over a toy, food, attention, territory/space, or some reason unknown to us humans.

    To believe that only dogs belonging to fighting breeds will fight is naive and ignorant.
     
  13. Staffy bull lover

    Staffy bull lover Little Dog

    I just want to add that weather or not to PTS or adopt out depends on the individual dog and of course the eventual adopter. Even if the APBT has no fighting exp it still has generations of breeding behind it and this breed and related ones are NOT for everyone. We have only had exp. w/ 2 ex-fighting dogs and of those 2 we kept one because we felt that she was only for the most experienced adopter and no one was available, we kept her for other reasons i have written about in other threads (not that we are so perfect, but I can guarantee that we will take every percaution to keep other pets safe) That being said she is one of the most people friendly dogs i have ever owned and she is wonderful w/ the cats. The other dog went to a very experienced home, but who is to say they all will be that lucky. I learned a long time ago we can't save them all and its only setting yourself up for failure and heart break to expect otherwise. We should judge them on an individual basis just like with everything. Also, anyone who adopts a "Pit bull" type dog and doesn't expect the posibility of DA probably shouldn't be adopting these breeds. Good thread, great question.
     
  14. Tiffseagles

    Tiffseagles GRCH Dog Premium Member

    This has always been my personal opinion for 'pit bulls' that end up in a shelter and deciding wether or not they should be adopted out.

    Animal aggression is a concern to me if the dog is absolutely out of control. A dog must be able to at least learn to ignore other dogs when out in the general public, otherwise people label them as aggressive not understanding the difference between DA and HA. I have heard more than one too many people use DA as an excuse for BSL and while I have no problem with someone owning a DA dog, it should be able to be controlled in public.

    The only other time I have a problem with animal aggression is if the dog is mentally unstable and will redirect animal aggression onto a person. This is a reason for euthanasia IMO. It is unacceptable to me.

    Unfortunately there are very few people who are able to handle these dogs, so there is a limited amount we can do for them. To me it is not a case of reform but if the DA is managable and if there is a home capable of the management that is needed. If not, then unfortunately the safest option for dogs in the general public and to protect our dogs from BSL is to have the dog humanely euthanized.
     
  15. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Many (but not most) people can, and are willing to manage a very DA dog (whatever the breed) and I admire these exceptional people .. But I am not one of them, especially with the circumstances of my household and business travel. Hence, instead of owning an APBT or GSD, which in my dreams I would love, I face reality and am happy with my wimpy, low maintenance, roly-poly rescue mutts.
     
  16. xgarrettxvx

    xgarrettxvx Big Dog

    wait, wait, buddysmom...you don't own pitbulls? that's sort of a relief and sort of confusing. you have such strong opinions, but so many of your post indicate that it is not the breed for you. ????????????? no wonder you would erase the history of the breed, because it wouldn't effect you too much, eh? sorry if you aren't the person that said you would do that. To answer the op, i think "Rehabilitate is the wrong word, but an effort to make their DA more manageable is a good idea, if they are going to become pets.
     
  17. Thanks, I did not state only fighting breeds will fight..and further, I do not believe that myself!

    I was however speaking about fighting breeds... ... reading comprehension is a gift!

    This is exactly why I don't usually respond to threads with sensitive topics.. people jump to conclusions and insults fly.
     
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  18. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    WTH? Yeah, you have the wrong person, but thanks ... :no2: :lol:

    Why you are relieved that I don't own an APBT, when I adore and am very well studied about the breed, and am mature enough to understand that one doesn't fit my lifestyle right now ... well that baffles me.

    But whatever. I may just adopt one when I retire, and screw you or anyone anyone if you think I shouldn't.
     
  19. odnarb

    odnarb Little Dog

    Well, I didn't read all 11 pages, so forgive me if my reply is redundant.

    I don't really care about the past of the dog. They should be evaluated on an individual basis, and then keep the best and cull the rest. There are so many Pit Bulls dying in shelters right now that I don't understand why people waste their time on dogs that are sickly, shy, fearful, handicapped, or so fight crazy that they can't be handled in public. It would be GREAT if somebody with a lot of money and a big heart would adopt those not physically sound, or if a stay-at-home with lots of time and patience adopted the fearful dogs. And, maybe people with farms and no other animals could adopt the insanely fight crazy dogs.

    But the thing is, these homes aren't typical, and in the time that you spend "rehabbing" a dog, you could have moved several more that walk out of the shelter without a care in the world.
     
  20. Ive personally worked with ex-fighting dogs. Yes it takes time, YES they take special knowledged owners. But the dogs I worked with did complete 180's. I'd rather work with an ex fighter then a fearful APBT sorry. Fearful APBT I feel are more unpredictable then a dog used in a ring. Dog's used in a ring, were used to fight with another dog not go after a human. Dogs who are fearful...are also known to bite humans if feeling threatened.

    Sure an ex fighting dog is more work. BUT if you can gain respect, manners and control of the dog they are just as good of pets as any other APBT. In fact every ex fighter I worked with I got to the point they wouldn't even acknowledge other animals/dogs in site.

    I use the term rehabing...but honesty it is working with, I don't trust any pit bull not to fight...But behavior can be curbed and managed in the right hands. Rehabing to me sounds like "Cureing".

    I even had a couple ex fighters who would get along in my pack and learned it was fun to play with what was once a target to fight. Did I ever take my eyes off of them while playing or being near eachother hell no.

    But yeah Id take home an ex fighter before a fearful apbt or even a sick apbt. I hate fearful dogs especially in the APBT. I mean thunderstorms or fire etc thats more or less normal to a point. But a skittish apbt...is very scary.

    ---------- Post added at 08:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:03 PM ----------

    Also side note, Ex fighters, carry the same responsibility as ALL APBT. You shouldn't ideally be bringing them to dog parks, letting them run off leash, or leaving them with others unsupervised. ALL DOGS POSE A RISK. I mean condemning ex fight dogs, you mise well condemn all ex police dogs who were TRAINED to attack humans? Heck even hunting dogs...they kill for a living right.
     

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