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Ex-Fighting dogs... Reform or euthanize?

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by PNWPBR, Aug 3, 2007.

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  1. Rehabilitate, ALL dogs deserve a loving home!

    110 vote(s)
    84.0%
  2. Euthanize, there are too many dogs out there with a better "history" that need homes too!

    21 vote(s)
    16.0%
  1. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    What do YOU think?

    Do you think Ex-Fighting dogs can be "reformed" or "rehabilitated" and adopted out to regular homes or do you find it a lost cause and think for the dogs and the community, the dogs should be humanely euthanized?

    These issues have come up more and more with the high media surrounding the Vick case, ect... but the issue of not just what should the punishment of the person who commited the acts be, but also what should happen to the dogs?

    Id love to hear opinions on this matter!
     
  2. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    I think the biggest issue is keeping the dogs from falling into the hands of those who wish to continue putting the dogs into fights. These people often have others with nice homes and clean records go and adopt the dogs.

    As for myself, I'd rather a fighting dog that is DA yet great with humans than some bred for looks and size and color dog in which temperament was tossed out the window along with every other breeding standard.
     
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2007
  3. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    FANTASTIC point!

    People forget that with these high-profile cases, that there are people out there that attempt to adopt them just so they can put them back in the sport again.
     
  4. JoeFeezy

    JoeFeezy Puppy

    That is a tough question to answer. I would like to say that they deserve a second chance at life. But not just anybody that wants a pit can take a game dog. They would have to have the dog in a single pet home and that makes it even harder to adopt out. Although i hate seeing the dogs die i think euthanation is the best solution for these dogs.
     
  5. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    Whats funny to me is that when matching was legal some of those match dogs were also family pets. And when dealing with APBT down from game lines (properly bred) 9 time out of 10 they are ppl friendly.

    So all this media attention about match dogs and how they are unstable around ppl is BS to me. And HSUS propaganda (sp?)

    Now in this day in age it is not the same as prior to the Animal Welfare Act. And we have dogs that the ppl that own them think that what the HSUS says about how to match them like feeding gun powder to make them mean. And how evil dog fighters use puppies and kitten as bait. But this is a different age then back then.

    What has made this breed unstable is poor breeding (all willy nilly) and neglect and irresponsible owners.

    So basically what I am saying is just because it is a "fighting" dog does not mean it needs to be reformed. They may already be very social animals towards ppl. But very animal aggressive.

    ANd Joe I agree that "pit bulls" are not for everyone. And what has also got this breed in trouble is ppl with good intentions thinking that they can handle this breed. Or ppl getting one because they think it is macho.
     
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2007
  6. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    So basically what I am saying is just because it is a "fighting" dog does not mean it needs to be reformed.


    Great point as well.





    The question that always arises for me though is the DA. Can your regular Joe dog owner who wants to adopt a dog handle a ex-fighter? Sure there are different levels of "fighting" dogs and most of them are of course dogs that have never seen a real fight and are more of a status symbol that anything..... but where do you draw the line when it comes to adoptability and liability?
     
  7. JoeFeezy

    JoeFeezy Puppy

    Yes it can be a great family pet. But here is a perfect example. I had a little firecracker dog when i was 18 or so and i couldn't control him and he got me into all kinds of trouble. He would break out of anything and everything just to get at other dogs. It eventually led to his demise and it could have all been saved had i known what i was doing better. If people wanna adopt a pet bull go for it, a pet bull is alot easier to control than a game dog. Game dogs are better around people but cause alot of problems outside of the house if your not properly trained on how to deal with it.
     
  8. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    Thats where the dilema comes into play. Finding a suitable home. It is the ppl more than the dog.

    But you can get a pup or a dog from a rescue, breeder and it may still have the same drive and not have been "seized" from fighters. And that is my point about this breed not being for everyone. I do not think that most ppl are ready for that when they "turn on".

    And when dealing with rescue and adopting out a dog of unknown background you do not know how it was bred. So how can you know if it is a pet bull vs pit bull? You do not. And it is hard to find suitable homes and becaue of that most of the dogs get euth'd. DO I feel bad yes I do. But I think I would rather have that then another media incident.
     
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2007
  9. JoeFeezy

    JoeFeezy Puppy

    Damn good point. Got no response to that one.
     
  10. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    Ok that last post seems like I am all for Euth'ing. It is hard for me to really answer that question. Why because I do think that a game bred dog can be a great pet. But like Joe said not all ppl can handle one.

    I am like this if a suitable home can be found great but as we all know they are hard to come by.

    I did rant a little in my first post. ANd I am sorry. It just kills me when I hear that oh fighting dogs can not be adopted out because they are unstable. When in fact the real reason they are not adoptable is not the dog itself it is that a good match for a forever home is hard to come by.
     
  11. JoeFeezy

    JoeFeezy Puppy

    X like a billion
     
  12. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    And that is exactly my issue right there.


    I have hundreds of dogs that beg for our attention and help, including ones that are possibly "fighting" dogs. I try and look at all of them the same, but over the top DA is a death sentence to me because of the simple fact that it is not something the general dog-owning public can responsibly handle.

    Its hard with the media cases because there are people who want to save them all and give them all a chance..... but at the same time there are upwards of 600 a day dying across the US that don't have the lines or the history some of these dogs do and when homes are SO scarce....


    well you get my point.
     
  13. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog


    That sums it up for me perfectly, thank you!!!!
     
  14. Suki

    Suki Little Dog

    Reformed? how so? towards other dogs? No, i don't, not completely, and i would never become complacent enough to let my guard down, as well.
    i think if one is going to adopt an ex-fighter, then said person should have at least 5 years into the breed. imo, there, should almost be a 'requirement', because, by then, you KNOW what you are getting and have experience to handle "such a dog". and i too, would much rather have an ex-fighter, knowing he/she has stablility when it comes to humans, so, that supervising that dog around other animals is what i need to be concerned with. and not vise versa.

    and, admittedly, i do NOT think this breed is for everyone, as MANY people only think they know what goes into proper care and management of the "pit bull".
    sadly we're seeing that simply is not the case...
    so, i do think a dog could be placed, but ONLY to a person who has years invested into this breed.
    ...just my .02
     
  15. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    But DA can come at any age. And it can come out of the blue. And when rescues test them at one age does not mean that 2 years later that all of a sudden they turn on. That also is a problem. I also think that some ppl think of they do fine together and get in a comfort zone then all of a sudden they are not prepared for a fight when it happens. And Suki I agree you should never let your guard down. ANd when you get a "pit" you should already be prepared that even though they get along now that this can change in the blink of an eye.

    I feel for you PNWPBR because yes I want to save them all too. But in my field that is the first thing you learn. You can't save them all.
     
  16. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    ANd that is my point of my rant. LOL

    And this breed should not be judged on DA. When that comes with the breed's temperment.

    And DA should not be a automatic death sentence. When the dog may not show any DA at that moment. But who knows when it will turn on. It gives the adopter a false sense of security.
     
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2007
  17. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    You can't save them all.


    Until we get a thousands of qualfied and responsible owners, that is what I have to tell myself every, damn day. :(
     
  18. Suki

    Suki Little Dog

    ...no you can't...
     
  19. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    While I agree, I also see how it HAS to be judged on DA when considering a dog adoptable.
     
  20. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    I edited a previous post after you posted this.

    And DA should not be a automatic death sentence. When the dog may not show any DA at that moment. But who knows when it will turn on. It gives the adopter a false sense of security. So I thnk any adopter should be aware and prepared for DA and understand it is a part of the breed.
     

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