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DON'T Leave your Dogs Unsupervised

Discussion in 'General Dog Discussions' started by tat2stuff, Nov 15, 2007.

  1. Tiffseagles

    Tiffseagles GRCH Dog Premium Member

    BWAHAHA. The only thing you should have faith in when handling a Jack is that they cannot be trusted.

    As far as the JRT/dog aggression discussion, this is straight from the JRT Club of America:
    If you did not experience this BuffaloBeard, then you were very lucky. I would argue that even opposite sexes should not be permitted to stay together unattended. I recently had a call from a Fox Terrier rescue about a Foxie that we have in our shelter and a large portion of the conversation was about how they often have issues with other dogs and owners should not expect them to be buddies with other dogs or go to dog parks. You'll see these ideas rehearsed over and over again for many different breeds. And some owners, regardless of the breed they own, will follow the same principals.

    Aggression towards other dogs and aggression towards people are two different things. I know many dogs that have issues with other dogs (or cats or horses or other types of animals) that absolutely love people - children included. Not getting along with other dogs does not make a dog a bad dog. The issues with the dogs in the media are
    1) owners of dogs that have issues with other dogs are not properly containing them
    2) owners of dogs that have issues with aggression towards people are not managing them or euthanizing them resulting in bites which in the ideal Pit Bull would not be present at all or unless there are extenuating circumstances (owner being attacked, etc.).
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  2. walethijau

    walethijau Puppy

    Thanks for your post, we not leave the dog unsupervised
  3. sandi4122

    sandi4122 Puppy

    Help I don't know what to do. We have recently adopted a Pit and he is a good dog. We also have to female labs.(Everyone is fixed.) The Pit they figure is about 18 months. The labs are about 5 years. They all love to play together and there has been no sign of aggression. So we were letting them all play while we went to work. Then things started, we would come home and find the house tore up. And we know it was the Pit we have cameras and and watched the tapes. He was getting on tables and just tearing up anything he could get he wasn't suppose to have. We had plenty of bones and toys for him to play with. Plus he had the other dogs. Somehow he got open door to our bedroom and got a hold of my bottle of sleeping pills. Lucky they were just open and on floor. I don't believe he got any. So that was it we decided to get him a crate. First we got one of the plastic ones. We always made sure we put a bone or something in with him to chew on. Within 4 days he ate his way out. Wow So we decided to get a wire crate. Same thing everyday he seemed to figure a way out. We would figure out how to keep him form opening it and then last night we went to eat. Only gone about 1 1/2 hours and he pulled the wires apart on the cage.
    Does anyone have any suggestions. We don't want him getting into something that is going to hurt him and we can't seem to keep him confined while we have to be away.
    I am not sure where I need to post this so if not here could someone help. All new to the Pits and to forum boards.
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  4. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    You should make your own thread about this.

    But in case you don't, I would look into the heavy duty crates. Unfortunately they are kind of pricey at $200+ but they will keep your dog safe. So I guess it's a toss up that you'll have to decide what you want to do.

    Depending on the laws in your area, you could also put him outside on a chainspot. When done properly, they are inescapable and safe.
  5. Tiffseagles

    Tiffseagles GRCH Dog Premium Member

  6. GailC

    GailC Puppy

    Wow, what a powerful thread. I'm crying right now reading these stories because I've had similar situations. We have 2 bull terriers, and one pit bull mix. We've had our fair share of dog fights and each one rattles me and my husband to the bone. Thanks GOD none of ours have ever had serious injuries or death, but I know it can be around the corner. We do take precautions, we know the triggers and who's more than likely to fight. We've just gotten to the point of prevention, which means keeping my two bull terriers separate a good portion of the day. They are never let outside together, since that's where most of the fights have happened. When indoors, they are supervised if they are together. When we're not home, none of my dogs stay oustide or roam the house. They each have their own kennel and stay in them, and they're very good about being in them. They don't seem to mind.

    We did, though, have a really bad incident with our bull terriers and the cat. They didn't like the cat, we got lazy one day and didn't put them up properly. I came home from work to find my cat dead and my dogs eating on her. I was devastated, and yes, I blame myself for this as well. I knew it was a bad situation between the cat and the dogs, and I did a half-a$$ job of dealing with it, and poor Ripley paid for it with her life.

    It's easy to get lazy with letting dogs out, keeping them together unsupervised, etc. But, after one fight where one of my bull terriers and the pit bull mix ganged up on my other bull terrier and she had her worst injuries to date, I really make it a point to prevent these fights from happening again.

    Anyway, they can happen to anyone at anytime (my friend's mother's 2 shih tzus and her sister's 2 labs got in a nasty fight - it's not just the bully breeds), and it's good to remind people of this to prevent a horrible situation. I feel so bad for all of these owners who have posted their trajedies online and the remorse and guilt they feel. I hope they are all doing better, and their stories hopefully will teach someone else.
  7. caseyK

    caseyK Puppy

    In all you did something that I could never do and it was the right thing my prayers go out to you and your family...the other day I took my 4month old bridle blue to the beach there were also some full grown bridle reds down the beach..a male an his sister...I took my puppy down to say hi an she was real submissive an things were a little hesitant.. she nips... so as soon as she nipped at the male I pulled her back..an got between them just to be cautious.. the own said she was fine an his dog wouldn't hurt my baby but I wasn't going to chance it.....so several hours later a boat pulled up with a chocolate/lab on the bow...so the boat anchored right off the beach in front of the 2 brindles... as soon as they did the lab jumped of the boat an swam onto the beach heading strait for the pits...I knew what was going to happen as soon as that lab hit the water!!!!! An it did!!!!! The brindles attacked the lab because they didnt know if he was a threat or not... it took 6 grown men to get the brindles off the lab...and everyone looked at the owners in terror that there dogs did such a thing...after things died down an the Pitt owners got ready to leave the beach I walked up and told them they wernt to blame and that the lab should have been on a leash at a public beach...ur dogs were just being protective... it was horrible to witness but the truth is the outfield were just being pitbulls... they were on leashes...the lab was not an ran up to the pits instigating a fight...yet everyone blamed the pitbulls...I always leash my dog an I never trust any dog in public that is on or off a leash...I wish the owners of the lab would have done the same.

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  8. senortony

    senortony Puppy

    Even though I don't own a dog yet, but I know how important it is to give pets such as dogs special attention. They are just like kids and hopefully future dog owner who read this post won't forget to spare some time with their dogs. I believe giving pets (dogs specifically) attention is one of the traits of a good owner.
  9. Jaclyn

    Jaclyn Puppy

    Never leave a dog and cat alone together if you can help it. I have to watch Ella with one cat because she's bound to squish him (she's never shown cat or dog aggression) because she doesn't realize she's 50 pounds and he's 13 pounds. I have to supervise the other cat because it (the cat) will attack my dog. Who runs, and if I wasn't scared Jazmine (a 13lb Maine Coon mix) would hurt Ella, it would be funny watching the cat chase the "vicious pit bull" around. But even if you don't have to worry about your dog hurting your cat, the same can't be said about the opposite. And your dog might not hurt your cat on purpose, but might try to play too rough. I've also heard of dogs (more than once) losing eyes, or even noses and ears, to cat claws.
  10. Jaclyn

    Jaclyn Puppy

    My previous comment was supposed to be a reply to someone else's comment, I obviously didn't do it right and I don't remember which page it was on or their screenname.
    I crate Ella when I'm not home because I know one cat would attack her (she runs) and I'm not willing to risk her accidentally hurting the other one. She's kept by a large exterior window or door for quick evac if necessary. It's a practice I will always keep. If I'm going to be gone longer than a shift at work, she goes to my mom and dad's. They have a dog now, but the dogs get along well enough that we can trust them with SUPERVISED play time. They had a minor tiff over a dead rabbit the Chow-Shepherd found (my pit mix got nosy), but they worked it out without injuries before we even got to them. It did drive home the point I've made to my parents never to leave them alone together, even for a minute. There haven't been any arguments or misunderstandings about it, but it showed them where I was coming from. Their first meeting got off on a rocky start, Ella was trying to play too rough and it almost escalated. But we separated them, put Ella on a chain for a couple minutes to calm down (Sadie left her alone), did a cautious reintroduction and they've been fine since. But you never know when play might escalate into a fight, and it's better to be prepared than devastated in the end. I've thought about getting a second dog in a couple years, but I'm still not sure. When she learns the other dog's boundaries, Ella does beautifully, but I'm not sure if I want the risk of having to break up a fight in my home. Especially because I'm on the smaller side, and my fiance works quite a bit (although I'm home most of the time). I'll never be comfortable with more than two dogs at a time, though.
    All dogs can fight, some dogs are just more prone to it. Your dogs (of any breed) with fight blood will be worse than dogs (of any breed) without it. And a game dog will be worse than one that's not. The biggest thing with "pit bulls" or other large breed dogs is that if two Dogo Argentino's get into a fight, it'll be a whole heck of a lot more difficult to break up than two JRT's. Especially if there's only one or even two people.
  11. rohasi

    rohasi Puppy

    Great post. Difficult to read, but very important. I take my babies into the bathroom with me when I pee and kennel them while I shower. They get along beautifully and are so sweet, but things can turn sour that quickly. Imagine living with the pain and guilt that these people live with :( definitely not worth cutting corners with your dogs safety.
  12. tlambert428

    tlambert428 Puppy

    I am new here but I have a similar story. It was my sisters pit bull and she moved into my house with him. He was never aggressive but we kept him and my american bully female separate. Different parts of the house. My back yard is fenced in but behind it is a big pen I have a golden retriever/chow mix I picked up on the side of the road when he was a puppy. He is now 10 years old. He has never been aggressive either. Kids play with him, kittens even play with him.
    One day my sisters pit bull was in my fenced in yard playing with my kids and he dove under the fence and jumped into Dukes pen. He was killing him. I tried every thing to get him off of my dog. I even had a shovel handle, trying to hit him enough to get Duke away. Nothing worked. I eventually had to shoot him. I felt so horrible, I had killed my sisters dog. But thank god she was there and told me to do it to save Dukes life. Duke had alot of hair so I think thats what saved him. But he had alot of bites even on his eye. Vet bill was crazy big. Hes okay now. But I have a new outlook on dogs of the bully variety. I still love them. I have an american bully that 2 years old but even in fenced in yard I am always with her. Never do I leave her unattended anymore in the fence.
    These are powerful breeds and I don't think some people respect that enough.
  13. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    :no2: It's too bad neither of you owned break sticks like responsible bull breed owners.
  14. robertosilva

    robertosilva Little Dog

    When I had a dog aggressive SBT I had to muzzle him in public due to too many loose dogs approaching him. People with friendly small dogs or quite often labs seem to let them run loose without thinking of leashed dogs being aggressive to them.

    Having my dog muzzled saved the life of at least a handful of dogs. When I had him leashed without a muzzle before I knew what he was like my friends off leash American Bulldog came too close and he got hold of her neck and wouldn't let go. I choked him with the lead and knelt on his neck to get him to let go.

    He never snarled, barked or growled at another dog as this would give them a warning and he didn't want them to be scared off.
  15. bsand

    bsand Good Dog

    X2 I have 3 and zero other dogs
  16. leilaquinn

    leilaquinn Good Dog

    Me too!

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  17. fandt94

    fandt94 Little Dog Premium Member

    I know this is a sticky....but...yes yes yes...everyone around me thinks I am crazy but why tempt fate??? Prior to having a bully type mix I Had a lab and a lab/gsd mix...they got into squabbles...maybe 5 times...I called their names and it stopped on a dime. I don't expect the same reaction from a bully/mix. If I am not around or can't supervise...one or both is crated. I keep a close eye on play time between them because who knows who might get mad...oh you got my ear...I am mad now. Nope...not leaving both free
  18. fandt94

    fandt94 Little Dog Premium Member

    And ps..I pretty much learned this from all of the regulars here even though I grew up with APBT's..it's a different ballgame when you are an adult and having one even mixed with who knows what
  19. fandt94

    fandt94 Little Dog Premium Member

    That is a little bit of how it is by me. My older dog is never on a leash..free to roam tho he normally stays on my property...however the newer one...I think she will stay on leash. I had previously thought (prior to this forum) that oh...maybe we can do the same with her...maybe we could...but I don't want to take that chance. She has great recall...but not so much during the day with more distractions. Night fall she is more focused on us humans so any off leash time will be then...maybe.
  20. Clio

    Clio Banned

    The sheer idiocy of the person in the first story absolutely amazes me. That person is the one that should be shot

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