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Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by Rainmaker, May 20, 2010.

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  1. ShakaZ

    ShakaZ Good Dog

    LMAO. If common sense was common everybody would have it Clueless.

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    But that's the thing LWG, they want or at least wouldn't mind worthless dogs that looks like the real thing.
  2. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    thats an interesting and eloquent way of putting it....and to a point i agree.....

    however.....i never have or never will understand the attraction of a fighting dog breed to people who absolutely despise dog fighting.....

    you dont have to embrace or reject it thats right.....but some people find it abhorrent and disgusting...........yet they are sitting feeding the very thing that loves what they hate !!!!....i absolutely despise child sex killers i find it disgusting and abhorrent that they can enjoy it.....so why would i CHOOSE to spend my life with one.

    i guess its one of those things you just have to shake your head and walk away from.
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  3. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Good Dog

    and thats the rut our dogs are in now. ive known that, look at all them jackasses in the hood with theyre pigs on a leash. AND THEY SHOW EM OFF AS IF THEYRE PROUD OF EM! lol knowing damn well theyre not real pitbulls.
    and mark my words this is whats is going to lead these dogs to exctintion if the HS doesnt do it first.
  4. ShakaZ

    ShakaZ Good Dog

    Yes, clueless, the best thing you can do is shake your head and walk away... like I've been told one has to pick their battles. A lot of things don't make sense with those types of people but you can't convince some people of some things. Like saying I hate cats and then going out and getting one.

    Not mine LWG... I got a place I could hide at least 200 where they could never be found.
  5. magdalena

    magdalena Good Dog

    You hate cats? This will never work! :D

    I don't really 'enjoy' let's call it this topic but I DO like learning the history of these dogs and the history and present 'sport' they still do.

    I almost stopped reading this thread since I wasn't getting anything out of it but I am glad I kept going as you can at least learn something whether you agree with it participate in it or just learn from it.
  6. teewiggs

    teewiggs Little Dog

    I agree. Great post.
  7. ShakaZ

    ShakaZ Good Dog

    I said I could say that mags. Do you need me to send you to your room? I wouldn't say I 'enjoy' it either, I mean it's not like riding a rollercoaster fun or anything... it's just a good convo among gentlemen and women. Also teaching something that someone may need to know concerning their dogs and why they may or may not do something that the owner is curious about.
  8. magdalena

    magdalena Good Dog

    No I agree, meep don't send me to my cat infested room! :D I agree that the topic is informative.
  9. ShakaZ

    ShakaZ Good Dog

    LOL. I'm sticking my tongue out at you. We try to make it informative while realizing that you can't make everybody happy.
  10. ganja

    ganja Good Dog

    I agree, this is getting of topic, but that's just the way things go, even IRL when talking to someone, you just don't stick to the same discussion or at least, that discussion will be LARGE and cover not only ONE specific part... or is it just with me that that happens all the time? :rolleyes:

    anyways, I find it to be very interesting... no one is forcing any one to read, don't like it, why read it?

    guess it's the same analogy with these dogs... don't like dog fighting? don't get a fighting breed and start being hypocrite about it...
    don't quite understand it...
    because really, if it's not for the dogs physique, why not another breed?
  11. ShakaZ

    ShakaZ Good Dog

    You tell em girl. And I'm the same way don't generally stay on the same subject... at least if the convo goes on long enough. Okay back on topic to make some people happy. I wouldn't have a problem with it... not saying that I would do it or even watch just wouldn't have a problem with it. It's like any other sport... I don't watch basketball don't like hockey. I watch college football but don't like NFL. I like boxing but couldn't tell you the names of em.
  12. Sabrina

    Sabrina Moderator

    I think it is wrong because I think exploting animals for entertainment is wrong.
    Whether it is racing dogs, fighting dogs, or whathaveyou, I think it's wrong.
    There are many more important things to use dogs for than entertainment.
  13. ShakaZ

    ShakaZ Good Dog

    I would agree with you Bransen if they were MADE to fight. For me that's the defining factor. Say it was legal. You came upon two dogs fighting, would you watch or would you break it up?
  14. ccourtcleve

    ccourtcleve Little Dog

    What makes you think the animals are exploited for entertainment? I personally feel they are the ultimate canine athletes being able to excel at the task they were bred for. The dogs love it, and are NOT made to fight like Shaka said.

    I think that 99% of people think dogfighting is wrong because of misinformation. They are influenced by the lies the media and other clueless people put in their heads. They think "dog fighters" are these terrible people who just sit around rolling dogs all day for their personal pleasure. They think "fighting dogs" are these poor innocent pooches who are "forced" to fight each other until the death. These things are all false, along with just about every single common view of this sport.

    Dog fighting IS illegal, so unfortunately, only the bad information will be spread around. Since things are kept underground, no one gets o find out the truth about the sport, and people will continue to believe lies. However, I actually have no problem with HSUS and similar organizations spreading lies, the real problem comes in with the so called "informed" people who sit on the internet talking about what they supposedly "know." (like 3 dogging, lmao). Or working for the local humane societies "educating" people on how to pick out "game puppies" and whatever other bogus information floating around. It's ok NOT to know, the problems come in when you THINK you know bu do not have a clue.

    People who have a dislike for fighting should NOT own this breed. It is what the breed was created for. No you do not have to participate, but at least have a healthy respect for the years people put into creating the dogs. If you take away the purpose, ,you do NOT have an APBT, I don't care what all of the delusional internet people say. If you start breeding for dogs who excel at weight pull or another sport, then you simply created another breed. There are MANY breeds who make excellent pets to choose from with a different past.
  15. Chevy

    Chevy Big Dog

    Horse races, animals in movies? What better reason is there. If you work them they are being exploited for that.
    For those that think its so horrible I challange you to release your dog with other APBT in a yard. Then tell me if you made them fight. I don't feel there should be any person on this board that disagrees with dog fighting under cajun rules. Especially a mod. Ya'll do know what breed of dogs you own.
  16. Rainmaker

    Rainmaker Banned

    I think I'm one of the people who mentioned about 3 dogging. Read your post again and you would find out that you are describing yourself (the real problem comes in with the so called "informed" people who sit on the internet talking about what they supposedly "know.")

    I only state facts on my personal experience(specially about dogfighting). Whoever wants to contest that, I respect it. But if you challenge me to prove it? You are welcome to come to my country and I'll show you the so-called underground dog-fighting" Clearly you don't know what you are talking about since you commented on that. If you wanna ask if I'm a dogfighter? YES, I am. If you wanna ask if I live in US or any US territories? NO, I'm not. If you have more questions? You can PM me, I don't want to talk here in this thread about some other issues.
  17. RealDawgs

    RealDawgs Big Dog

    That's great advice Clueless, if only most of the general public would follow this, then we wouldn't have this flame of BSL spreading through the states.

    I got you on the dublin reds ;)

    That is definitely true, but in some cases, I think it might be necessary to put multiple dogs on them. I'm told that Pit General was four dogged and still wanted more on Barney Fife's yard.

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    Agreed, a real man doesn't call for backup and goes one on one.

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    When you take up a breed, it is important to know of the past of the breed, for without a past, there can be no future. Since dog matching is now illegal in the states, if we want to continue to preserve gameness in our breed, we must learn the history, including: the ability of known dogs (for bloodline and foundation purposes), how to properly condition (for the dog's health), how to properly feed (again health), how to properly care afterwards (very useful in case of a kennel accident), and the method of matching (cajun rules). The last one is important because since it is now illegal, we need to learn how dogmen of yesteryear were able to devise this type of rule to test the gameness of their stock so that we may now develop a new way that is within the acceptable laws to continue on to further preserve gameness in our breed.

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    This is exactly why I freakin hate so many of the rescue organizations here. They spew all that shit where an apbt isn't aggressive and if it is, it is because you are teaching it to fight. You work your dog on a springpole, flirtpole, mill, and you have it drag weight, they claim it is cruel. Your dog wants to scratch into their dog, they claim you are a dog fighter. To be honest, I think the: HSUS, uninformed rescues, wannabes, and posers are responsible for our dogs state now.

    The HSUS spews all this crap into the media and the media believes it. If you are conditioning your dog, they claim cruelty and dogfighting etc.

    The uninformed rescues believes that an apbt when put into a loving home will become dog friendly and they place these dogs into anyone coming in looking for a dog. If you are conditioning your dog, you are cruel and they claim cruelty. Then when the dog scratches into another dog and a person gets bit trying to seperate it, it is a "pitbull attack" and our breed gets blamed.

    The wannabes that wants an apbt but are against dogmatching believes that the apbt when raised in a "loving home" that the dog would be dog friendly. They adopt one from these ignorant idiots that runs these rescues and once the dog turns 2 or 3 and starts up, the news shows a pitbull attack.

    The thugs that does embrace dogfighting and believes in having a tougher dog buys a poorly bred apbt or ambully, trains it to be aggressive towards humans, then it bites someone and bam, again the news reports it. Now care to guess why the thugs would be attracted to this breed? It is because of the freakin HSUS claiming that the apbt is the best dog for fights and that it can do a lot of damage towards a human and dog. The HSUS spreads fear into the population and the thugs believe if they can control these dogs at the end of a leash, they are something special.

    This is an uphill battle for us, and one that we cannot win unless if we all keep our circles tight and remains firm. Remember, today their dogs, tomorrow yours.
  18. Rainmaker

    Rainmaker Banned

    Actually it's not an info, we are doing it.

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    Actually bro, you are right there on some point. Could be a the owner's fault. I'll give you a situation. We tested a dog to a dog that "litteraly only bites on the legs, and just turns to face for defense" I want to see the dog be bitten to his stifle because we've got some tips that the opponent is hard bitting stifle dog and also turns to face on defense. So of course we want to see if the dog could take a stifle dog so we tested him aswell to a stifle dog. We also 2 dogs because checking on the wind and a peep of his gameness.

    Maybe just different principles in testing and preparing dog for the match. But after everything else.. no matter what principles, condition and keep you give the dog. The best dog still wins the match.

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    Just addition to this.. maybe people would think why not get a dog similiar to the style of the opponent? Now let me ask this.. are we sure the information is right? If I open my dog, it should be able to take any style of dog, regarding any circumstances. Last dog I "three dogs" not just "two but three" beat all dogs we rolled and they all cur out, one is even a 1 time winner that we never open out in public again because he litteraly curred out to this prospect. From then on we open this dog at 30.5lbs.
  19. Rainmaker

    Rainmaker Banned

    For some who might asked why not test it on another day instead of 3 doggings? This dog can finish early, the question that we want to be answered on this ordeal is that, if he got hurt badly? Would he stopped? Competition nowadays is different from the old. We got better supplements and feeds. Better keep as an evolution of the old and adjustments from the other competitors. I've personally witness a dog that on her gametest after literally 23mins of sweeping the carpet with the other dog's face curred out once She got bitten so hard in the chest. This dog is also a barnstormer that curred out two dogs in her schooling in a fast manner. As experience dictates me.. I believe testing once would prove something but it won't completely answer the question, is this a matchdog?
  20. ShakaZ

    ShakaZ Good Dog

    Damn good post. Thank you button.

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    All of that could be done in two or three sessions, it don't have to be all done in one session. If you stretch it out some not only might you have better results but it's easier on the dog.

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    Well, buddy, go for what you know.
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