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Dog Attacks

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by pitbullmomma28, Jun 11, 2011.

  1. pitbullmomma28

    pitbullmomma28 Little Dog

    I posted this on another forum, and I posted it in the debates forum on here, but I didn't realize that there was a dog debates forum here *facepalm* So thought I'd post it here too, if one of the admins wants they can delete it off the other debates, I don't know how to lol

    So of course, the dog person is going to bring this up at sometime, LOL. So here is my question, in your opinion who is to blame for dog attacks (in most cases, because obviously the same "group" is not going to be the cause of it in every single case) and why?

    A) The Dog
    B) The Owner
    C) The Victim
    D) The Owner and Victim

    In my own personal opinion I am going to say in most cases it is the fault of owner and victim. Now as to why I say that. Dogs react off instinct and training, behaviors which they have learned since a very young age. It is an owners duty to make sure only the best is brought out of the dog and if that is not the end result, to make sure the dog is confined to were it can hurt no one, and if not, then euthanize or rehabilitated by an experienced dog trainer. Dogs usually attack for three reasons:

    1) They feel threatened
    2) They feel as one of their "family members" (If I may use that terminology, because I will refuse to say "pack") is threatened
    3) Out of territorial behavior.

    Now, before I continue on with this, I want to make it clear that though it is often the fault of the owner/victim, in my opinion, I am not saying that I think the dog had a right to attack to victim, and/or that the victim was threatening the dog purposely. Most dog attacks happen due to lack of knowledge, and people (especially young children) are much too often sending "messages" to dogs by body language, which the animal is misinterpreting (though this is not always the case, as in some dog attacks to older children, teenagers and adults, the victim was harassing the animal and threatening it) and often threatening the dog and or the people or "companions" (other dogs) that he/she loves, without directly meaning to. I believe the cause of most dog attacks is lack of education, if more people knew how to keep a dog from feeling threatened I firmly believe that the amount of dog attacks would drop dramatically.

    For example, when I was fourteen I was attacked by a Golden Retriever mix. I was attacked completely by my own fault. The dog was scared, in a place far from where it lived, and I, a complete stranger, in my effort to help it, ended up getting attacked by it. Why? Because the dog felt threatened. It had no idea what my intentions were. It didn't know if I was going to attack it or help it, so in a matter of time, the dog chose that the wisest thing to do was to attack me before I had a chance to strike, though of course, that was not my intention. I realized never again to even attempt touching a stray dog (though I have afterwards, because of course my want to help it overcomes my fear of it attacking me, but that is just an example of more unwise choices coming from people, and I will include myself in the category, which increase the likelihood of dog attacks) lest it attack.

    A good reason of dog attacks happen to young children. The reason is simple. Young children are innocent and eager. Most of the time they don't realize what danger they are in when confronting a dog. For example, there was a recent dog attack on a four year old boy. The attack was by a female dog who had puppies. The reason the dog attacked? The boy reached in to grab one of the puppies. This dog had no history of aggression and was regarded as a very friendly dog, however, she felt as though her puppies were threatened and she attacked the boy, because it was her offspring she was thinking about. This was obviously the fault of the people in charge of the child, though it was his fault he was bitten, the people in charge should have known not to let the children anywhere near a nursing female! I was upset when I read this case because it could have been so easily prevented. The child had no idea that in reaching for the adorable, very young puppies that the mother would attack him. The owner of the dog should have known that, because in most cases, female dogs who are nursing will only let the breeder, and on occasion, people that the dog is very close to, in the pen with the puppies, and they don't always even allow the breeder in.

    Now as for territorial behavior, and attacks due to a dog being territorial, I place all blame on the owner. If a dog is territorial the likelihood of it attacking increases much more than that of an average dog. All dogs can be territorial, training and socialization can prevent these behaviors. However, a good majority of dog owners, especially in the US, do not properly train and socialize their dogs, which is why we tend to have such a problem with territorial behaviors. So this is most often the first mistake owners of territorial dogs have made, because in most cases territorial behaviors can be prevented. If a dog, however, is already an adult and territorial, then it is the owner's responsibility to make sure that the dog does not have a chance to come near anyone whom the dog may attack because of its protectiveness of its area. (I am not saying that they should tither the dog however, as that leads dogs to even more aggression, as they feel constantly threatened by the restraint, and feel even more need to attack) If a dog is territorial it should be kept in a SECURE yard, most dog attacks due to territorial behavior occur because the dog was NOT in a secure yard. The dog should be muzzled when let outdoors, and should not be outside all the time because that will increase the likelihood of it being able to attack someone. If an owner is unwilling to do these things, then the dog should be either euthanized or sent to a trainer (and to stay with that trainer) to be rehabilitated. It is not worth an innocent child getting mauled, because the owner is being negligent. This is my opinion on the matter, what do the rest of you think?
     
  2. rguerra

    rguerra Big Dog

    I agree with most of your post except the last paragraph:

    I don't think it is only a problem in the US. Some breeds of dogs are meant to be territorial. Not all dogs are pets.

    Wrong. Tethering does not make a dog vicious if done correctly.

    Don't know what you mean by this. When you say outside, you mean when taking for a walk? A guard dog can be taken for a walk without any problems. In fact, most guard dogs are only territorial in their territory.

    If I had a banddogge I wouldn't euthanize it, much less send it away to get trained. I don't think a pet should be sent away to be trained either. That can be more problematic than anything.
     
  3. pitbullmomma28

    pitbullmomma28 Little Dog

    I agree that it is not only in the US, I just meant it occurs more often in the US, because it seems as if more people don't care as much in the US.

    How do you tether a dog correctly? I am saying that an aggressive dog becomes more aggressive from tethering not that tethering makes a dog aggressive.

    No no, not for a walk, territorial dogs are only "territorial" over there territory. I mean dogs that can get out, when they are let out to relieve themselves. I had to that with one dog for a while until I rehabilitated her.

    A bandoge is a hybrid breed, I am not saying to euthanize breeds???? I know bandogge's that aren't aggressive. As for when I say sent away to trainer, I mean to belong to the trainer, because if the person is unable to handle the aggression issues they shouldn't be owning the dog.
     
  4. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    Tethering doesn't make a dog more aggressive, any more than fencing or kenneling does... What makes you think that it would?
     
  5. ganja

    ganja Good Dog

    I agree, some dogs are not meant to be pets that get along with anyone lol
    learn to pick the breed that suits you and a breed you're able to manage and you won't have problems even with Fila's who are known for their great guarding and protection instincts..

    no such thing as hybrid dog breeds. in order for it to be hybrid it must be bred with another species. like lion with tiger for ex.
    it's just a mixed breed if two dogs from a different breed are bred together.

    and thethering done good is when the dog doesn't spend it's life on chain with zero interation/socialisation.
    and by socialisation I don't mean meeting every stranger that walks by but getting to know different types of enviroments, situations, noises, types of people (like handicaped, old, baby's for ex.)
    when the dog gets worked and gets the attention it needs to have.

    there really is no difference between a yard dog, a chained dog, a kenneled dog or a crated dog as long as it gets the proper care. it ain't rocket science

    and even if the thethered dog was HA.. how would it be able to bite anyone if people don't jump the fence and try to approach the dog?
    I'd prefer it thethered than roaming the fenced yard all day personally
     
  6. pitbullmomma28

    pitbullmomma28 Little Dog

    Its just experience I have had when I was training other dogs. I'm not saying that it will make them more aggressive as in the sense that the dog will become more aggressive because it is tethered, but that a dog when it is tethered will feel more easily threatened because of its lack of ability to move. Just reaction I've seen in some dogs that I have trained.

    And Ganja, I've seen kids jump fences to come in contact with dogs, which is why I'm not big on outdoor dogs, because they are unsupervised a good part of the day. Some kids are stupid and will approach tethered dogs, I've seen it happen, that's why it worries me.
     
  7. omgrobyn

    omgrobyn GRCH Dog

    Then those kids deserve to be eaten if they're stupid enough to hop a fence into a dog's yard.
     
  8. pitbullmomma28

    pitbullmomma28 Little Dog

    I know, but the thing is the dog is going to get blamed for the attack, which is what makes this so frustrating for me.
     
  9. omgrobyn

    omgrobyn GRCH Dog

    Not if they never find the body.
     
  10. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    Lmao Robyn!!!!

    Another reason kids get bit is because they do things to the dog. Not all are innocent. They poke, pull, and annoy and even borderline torture the dog. And for that I blame the parents for not teaching proper interaction skills.

    A dog is going to reprimand a human child like they would a young pup.
     
  11. King Rat

    King Rat Little Dog

    I think in 99% of cases its the owners fault/responsiblity. If you own a dog I strongley belive that it is your reponsiblity to train it properley and/or have it safley contained in a way that does not poes a threat to others.

    of course there are always going to be some instances where the owner has take all reasonable and responsible steps to ensure that their dog is safe, and some one through their own stupidity gets bitten. ( such as peipel climbing over a fence in to a yard, or breaking in to your property) and in those instances those people have only themsleves to blame). Dfh
     
  12. omgrobyn

    omgrobyn GRCH Dog

    Which is why my neighbor got a lovely letter and got torn a new asshole when my boyfriend caught her kids throwing rocks at my dogs.

    And come on now guys, you come home from work, go to say hi to the dog/s, and there's a dead kid in your yard (or a really injured one). You're saying you'd call the cops, not call around and see if anyone knows someone with a pig farm or a lot of land that doesn't ask a lot of questions?

    Anyway, in the case of kids, most of the time the blame lies with the parents. It's amazing how many parents don't teach their kids to not fuck with dogs.
     
  13. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    That's right, let the wild hogs deal with 'em if you ask me... Won't find anything...
     
  14. pitbullmomma28

    pitbullmomma28 Little Dog

    ROFL nice one :P

    That has to be one of the most annoying of circumstances, because people still tend to blame the dog. -_- People need to teach their kids how to respect dogs.

    I have seen this happen way to many times...it is so annoying...

    I've noticed that kids like to do that...Some kids were throwing rocks at my dog when I was walking her, I was like what the frick kids?!
     
  15. SemasMom

    SemasMom Big Dog

    I live across the street from an elementary school. The dogs are inside a good 30 minutes before the bell rings every day. I have a 6 foot brick wall around my yard. The only place you can see into the yard is the small gap around the gate. Yet every day, obnoxious kids throw rocks and trash into my yard. Complaining to the school does no good. Yelling at the kids does no good. Following them home and talking to the parents is useless. But if someone in my house ever screws up and lets any of the dogs out at the wrong time of day and dog finds a way to bite rock-throwing kid, I am sure I will get sued.
     
  16. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    kids are a danger to our pit bulls, we should enact child-specific legislation...
     
  17. pookie!

    pookie! GRCH Dog

    Ban children!!!
     
  18. pitbullmomma28

    pitbullmomma28 Little Dog

    Exactly! It just throws me off -_- Sometimes kids....

    Ik, we should, shouldn't we?

    WE MUST WRITE THE CONGRESSMEN AND TELL THEM WE MUST BAN THESE LITTLE ROCK THROWING BEINGS!!!
     
  19. rguerra

    rguerra Big Dog

    Mandatory muzzling and leash laws for kids. Oh, and those stray kids should be pts and the parents speutered.


    A couple years ago two kids jumped into a yard to pick some mangoes. The owner had two rotties that were chained during the day and released at night. On this day the owner didn't chain them and they caught one of the kids and killed it. The family of the child was demanding that the dogs be put to sleep but that didn't happen. The kids were trespassing and the law here is if you trespass you get what you deserve. Well after that lots of people wanted a dog from those rotties litter. :D
     
  20. chloesredboy2

    chloesredboy2 Good Dog

    When I was a kid,If I had done something like that and got bit by a dog I would have just got an ass whipping for going into the backyard in the first place.
     

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