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Does this Breed Need a House Cleaning

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by tat2stuff, Nov 10, 2007.

  1. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    I am not sure where this thread lead, but to answer this....
    HELL YES, if we were to rid every BYB and you know what....and all of the others were spayed and neutered, then I just dont think there would be much of a problem anymore. But that is wishful thinking! I am human, I can daydream!
     
  2. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    this idea is like putting a band-aid on when you chop off your leg. if you don't get to the root of the problem of the overpopulation, this very very temporary fix of overpopulation won't even begin to work. fact of the matter is, some of the people who would have adopted a dog may now be out getting one from the idiot at walmart selling his/her pups. the shelters would be full again within a matter of week/months.
     
  3. Pit Bulldog

    Pit Bulldog Little Dog

    Obvioulsy less breeding = less dogs. I was just throwing out another tool in dealing with the problem. According to the ASPCA about four million dogs enter shelters each year. My proposal would cull four million dogs per year.
     
  4. Puppy mills will still exist & supply the pet stores. People who want to get a puppy on a whim (generally an irresponsible move) can still go out & buy one any time they want, w/ no education or screening, just a few hundred $$$. When this person gets bored or frustrated w/ the dog, often vet care & speutering will not be a top priority & the opportunity for unwanted puppies will arise. Or maybe this person thinks their dog is soooo cute & wants cute puppies again. Either way, a litter later they're in front of walmart giving away puppies to anyone w/ a whim & no education. Cycle continues.
     
  5. maryellen

    maryellen Good Dog

    yep the problem is not the dogs, its the HUMANS who feel animals are disposable... if humans fixed their ways, and kept dogs for Life, the shelters wouldnt be so overwhelmed..
     
  6. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    yeah and out of those 4 million 90% are destroyed, so obviously killing all the animals in shelters ISN'T working. like i said in my previous post. you have to get to the root of the problem with is the idiots breeding them out of control.
     
  7. Zoe

    Zoe GRCH Dog

    I still don't understand why a bunch of speutered dogs that are evaluated for temperament, going to approved, educated homes are a negative on the breed whether they are mixes, pure bred, or out of standard in some way that is insignificant for a pet owner. Personally, I think rescue has played a MAJOR role in restoring the reputation of the breed to some extent and educating the public about them. Ya know... I just spent the weekend on the phone, having multiple conversations with a guy who was interested in adopting Beauty. I basically educated him right down to the fact that he shouldn't own a pit bull and after learning as much as I could tell him, about the breed, what they are like to own in all capacities, dog aggression, BSL, social prejudice, how the breed must be handled to keep them safe not only from their genetics, but by the social stigma, he agreed maybe another breed was a better choice for him and his family and what they needed/wanted. To me, those kinds of situations are just as important as placing a dog. I think removing the opportunity that rescue has brought about for the breed, is throwing the baby out with the bath water so to speak.
     
  8. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog

    yes, this breed needs a good house cleaning, or else none of us will own these precious dogs tomorrow. :( :'(
    because our breeds our in so much shit, as it is. :( :'(
     
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  9. hogar

    hogar Good Dog

    I think we need a good house cleaning on the human population as well
     
  10. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog

    LOL i agree :p
     
  11. Sabrina

    Sabrina Moderator

    I think we can ALL agree with that! :)
     
  12. magdalena

    magdalena Good Dog

    This was a good read thanks for the revive.
     
  13. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog

    my thoughts exactly.
     
  14. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog

    my thoughts exactly. :no2: dogs that bites or attacks unprovoke= PTS :'( :(
    IF you want to save ("pitbulls") bully/bulldog breeds and mixes, from EUTHANASIA.. then SAVE dogs/pups that are and have sound/stable, rock solid, bomb proof temperments, healthy, happy, loveable, kissable dogs/puppies that will NEVER EVER show ANY aggression directly towards humans or DOESN'T have any problems like behavioral issues, aggression issues, etc. they should be SAVED/RESCUED.
     
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  15. Ringo's Mom

    Ringo's Mom Puppy

    I imigine every breed forum for every breed of dog has similar discussions. Sadly, breeding just for conformation has led to some very unstable and/or unhealthy lines. I think that all breeding should be done to better the breed - period.

    I also think that the best way to clean up the lines in the breed is to promote spay and neuter and have every breeder make the puppy buyer sign a spay/neuter for all pet quality dogs.

    The breed fancy will pressure those who breed substandard lines to either clean up their welping boxes or get out of the breed.

    ---------- Post added at 08:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:56 PM ----------

    Amen! Rescue is saving this breed.
     
  16. ganja

    ganja Good Dog

    I think we would have WAY less dogs if the government forced people to euth their dogs themselves instead of dropping them of at shelters...
    people would actually think twice about getting a dog if they have to deal with it themselves if they don't want it anymore.

    I personally don't know many people willing to euth their dogs themselves instead of dropping them of at a shelter.
    I in fact get dirty looks and a whole lot of bashing when I tell people I asked my family members to euth my dog should something happen to me or that I will without any doubt euth my dog if I can not longer care for him.
    it's MY dog, MY responsibility, and I deal with it accordingly instead of the million bleeding hearts thinking every dog put in a shelter has a great chance of finding another home. which is NOT the case.

    it seems more "humane" for those bleeding hearts, while they don't understand that a shelter can and definitely has ruined a high number of very good dogs.
    it is a very stressful place to be for dogs, and I wouldn't throw ANY dog in there, especially not "pit bulls" with their lower chance of being adopted.

    unfortunately, we can only deal with overpopulation in one way and that is trough education.

    they will never be able to get rid of BYB without affecting good breeders and the government will NEVER be able to enforce laws such as forcing people to take responsibility instead of putting the responsibility in other people's hands.
    there will always be people to breed low quality dogs (whether temperament, health or conformation wise) that the government will not even be aware of.

    it's the same with every damn thing, whether it's drugs, prostitution, dogfighting,...
    there is just no way to really go against those things other then by trying to educate.
    drugs are illegal, but I have ZERO problem finding whatever drug I would want to. just to give a quick example...

    laws are good and definitely necessary, but they don't get rid of the problem neither IMO.


    ---------- Post added at 03:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:18 PM ----------

    uhm... no
    rescue is dealing with other people's mess and try to make the best of it, peroid.
    good breeders and educated owners are the ones trying to save the breed in the first place.

    saying that rescue is saving the breed is like saying shelters are saving the world from overpopulation...
    no, they just deal with what people don't want/need anymore as best as they can.

    without even mentioning how much HORRIBLE rescues there are.
    I tend to think that really GOOD rescues are as rare, if not more rare, as really good breeders, it just attacts more bleeding hearts than true breed enthusiasts.
     
  17. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog

  18. buddys dad

    buddys dad Puppy

    One thing that I never saw mentioned was a disagreement about criminals or felons owning these dogs. That seems pretty off to me when the most vocal about saving the APBT breed want these dogs to be game bred. If your fighting the dog or even saying you don't condone it but... (with a wink) you are a felon. I don't believe being a felon has anything to do with whether you're a good and responsible dog owner or not. If you fight the dog, well that's another story.
     
  19. ganja

    ganja Good Dog

    then you should look a bit harder buddys dad.
     
  20. buddys dad

    buddys dad Puppy

    No I read the post thoroughly. I ment everyone was agreeing or disagreeing with the things the OP had said and nobody thought it was okay for a felon or person with past criminal charges to be a pit bull owner. And I was saying if it's not okay than any one fighting dogs but haven't been caught or condone it should be put in this catagory. If thats not you you have nothing to worry about.
     

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