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Does this Breed Need a House Cleaning

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by tat2stuff, Nov 10, 2007.

  1. screamin'eagle

    screamin'eagle Good Dog

    Good post, and I'd buy that line for more than .47!
  2. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    I for one was trying to defend you :confused:

    You are not the only one who has bought a puppy off a BYB, as long as you learned from it that is the important thing IMO

    I agree no one should tell another they are flat out wrong ... it hurts ... believe me, I know. :(
  3. Noelle's Mom

    Noelle's Mom Banned

    I know you weren't one buddysmom. Most people on here disagree with a lot of how I believe and that is absolutely fine. When you disagree you are nice about it, lol. It's the ones who basically make me feel like an idiot that get to me.
    Not leaving the forum because I think I have things to learn here but going to try not to debate anymore. lol, not going to be easy but I can always try.
  4. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Good ... I almost left the forum yesterday ... As far as trying not to debate, I can understand that desire. Jump in (or don't!) ... it's all cool :)
  5. Zoe

    Zoe GRCH Dog

    In all honesty, I truly feel in my heart of hearts, the only hope of our breed being preserved as the "true" APBT lies in the hands of those "old timers" that have left the states to places where "the game" is legal. Not saying I condone dog fighting, but without it, our breed WILL change. It's just the way it is. Breeds evolve and change once their function changes.

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    Actually no, we do not adopt out this breed that is overtly dog aggressive as well.

    While I know, understand and respect DA and find it acceptable... in a shelter environment it does not work.

    First off we have mainly volunteers ages ranging from 16 to 80 years old walking and pottying the dogs during the day.... while they have been educated about the breed, as much as we can in a shelter of course, they still are not equipped to handle a adult Pit Bull with high DA while walking them or transferring kennels.

    Also, the general public that comes into the shelter to adopt a dog, no matter what restrictions are in place or how much I councel and educate... most of them in my opinion are NOT equipped to handle or are responsible enough to own a DA dog.

    So, yes most of them are vanilla dogs.

    Remember, this shelter hasn't adopted out this breed for over TEN years and just started in June of this year. Its a work in progress and even allowing me to put ONE on the floor is a huge step for them so if it means that the ONE I put on the floor has low DA then im fine with that.
  7. Zoe

    Zoe GRCH Dog

    That is so true. Where I in no way would judge a dog for dog aggression, as my own male is highly dog aggressive with males and strange dogs, and my females to varying degrees as well, and it is a part of the breed I am comfortable with, most adopters, and even most foster homes just can't handle them. It's just a reality. People looking to adopt are not looking for DA dogs. They are looking for pets and in all reality, usually can't even handle the smallest of issues, let alone a DA dog. We pull DA dogs and they usually wind up... guess where!? My house! lol It just doesn't bother me at all to handle them, because I've been doing it for years and for me it's the norm, but no one wants to adopt them on the whole.

    My foster Bailey can live with dogs with a strong leader, but out and about, forget it. If a dog approaches her, she WILL grab it. She's not even that DA as far as I'm concerned. I've handled dogs that are way more DA but she's been in foster care for over a year and a half and in all reality, she will die an old girl in my care, and that's ok by me. When doing rescue though, there are only so many foster homes and so many adoptive homes and in all honesty, there are very few homes who could handle a dog aggressive dog properly and not get the breed into trouble. The dog would just end up being the next headline for killing the neighbors dog and the big BSL frenzy would ensue. Exactly what Ellena said, you can lecture, educate until your blue in the face but people just aren't equipped to deal with DA dogs, so when pulling dogs, you do have to weigh what foster homes are available as well as what adopters are looking for and can responsibly handle.

    That being said, if there is an available foster home who can handle a DA dog, as long as they are rock solid with people, we do pull them, but know we are in it for the long haul with them.
  8. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    it's great to know you're being that responsible and not just turning out every dog you can into homes. thanks!
  9. Violet

    Violet Little Dog

    I think our breed DESPERATELY needs some major housecleaning. In th last two years the number of unsound dogs I have seen has probably tripled. Whereas previously..i usually only saw sound pit bulls..now im seeing alot of nervy messes.

    I think most shelters SHOULD euthinize rather than trying to adopt them out unless they have truly bully savvy people assessing the dogs AND truly bully savvy people in charge of placement. Do I hate that so many die? You betcha. But there are just too many out there for anything less than perefct bullies to be adopted out. My rescue has pretty much adopted a "no puppies" rule. Not that we wont bend it on occasion. But we feel alot more confident placing adult dogs who's temperament is fully develped so we know exactly what we are dealing with. Reduce the odds of future incidents.

    As far as DA dogs go..Personally I love a real bully. Wether DA or not. So on a personal level..its there, its part of the breed..im never going to judge a dog based on it. But that being said..im not going to pull a super DA dog into foster care because I know it would be with me for keeps. It severely limits my capabilities. As Zoe said..its a way of life for me to juggle dogs..but I know of exactly 4 people who I think I would be confident sending a dog aggressive dog to..and Zoe is one of them.

    REAL true blue bullies don't have much of a place with john Q public because most of them are pet dog owners. They have NO clue how to safely manage dogs with high prey drive and DA.
  10. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    Zoe is one of them? :mad:
  11. Violet

    Violet Little Dog

    oh..and that crazy rescue chick in Oregon:p
  12. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    I dont know one in Oregon.... I do know one in Vancouver, WA though! :no2: :lol:
  13. Violet

    Violet Little Dog

    close enough..right? (damn..how did I forget you were in Washington?):blush:
  14. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    You are lucky I love you! :p
  15. Shes Got Heart

    Shes Got Heart Little Dog

    I think human beings need a good housecleaning...
  16. Zoe

    Zoe GRCH Dog

    You hit the nail on the head there...
  17. screamin'eagle

    screamin'eagle Good Dog

    Ill buy that...number one way to fix the reputation...fix the owners!
  18. Pit Bulldog

    Pit Bulldog Little Dog

    If someone does not make an effort to research and learn about different lines of apbt's and fails to learn about what a real apbt should be like then they should not own one of these dogs. If folks actually took the time to learn about the various strains and crosses of various strains and all the work that went into creating the breed then they would be less likely to buy byb crap or mix apbt's with other breeds and create unstable mixbreeds. I may be crazy but reading a book or two or three or four about these dogs before getting one of these dogs may not be a bad idea!!!!

    I do agree with the overpopulation comment though. So why would it bad if for a number of years we didnt have any shelters and dogs simply got euthenized if they were unwanted? I know we all love dogs and all, but the money saved could be used for more important things. And, this would help to 'clean house' with apbt's, mutts, mixbreeds, all other breeds. (I should probably barricade my doors and windows, cause I already can see an angry crowd gathering outside.)
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  19. Because the problem is not just simple overpopulation. One must look at the reasons behind the overpopulation. If today, we just wiped out all of the shelter dogs, the problem would still continue & the shelters would be filled again in a year.
  20. Pit Bulldog

    Pit Bulldog Little Dog

    Kill everyone 'shelters' = less dogs out in the community = less overpopulation. I think the math is pretty straighforward. Of course this will not take care of the overpopulation completely. It is just one of the things that will help decrease the numbers. (Granted shelter dogs are speutered so they cant add to the mess.)

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