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Does anyone know of a bull terrier breeder that still uses their dogs for work?

Discussion in 'Bull Terrier' started by Rogue Bullies, Mar 15, 2010.

  1. Rogue Bullies

    Rogue Bullies Good Dog

    I am wondering if there are any bull terrier breeders out there that still use their dogs for work and breed more of the "game bred" type look. I know people still use them for hog hunting and such, but I am out of luck on finding any breeders. Any help would be great!'

    Thanks :)
     
  2. 4PawsK9Svcs

    4PawsK9Svcs Good Dog

  3. Nutty

    Nutty Little Dog

    these dogs are not purebred .... only mixed ...


    In Germany there is only one breeder, breeding performance has. he breeds with the old performance line fraire tucks.
    http://www.bullandterrier.de/index.html
     
  4. 4PawsK9Svcs

    4PawsK9Svcs Good Dog

    Sorry... :( I'm not too well-versed on BTs...
     
  5. Rogue Bullies

    Rogue Bullies Good Dog

    Dang I wish I could read german LOL! Do you know what they are mixed with? I was hopeing to find a breeder whos dogs still had good conformation, but were more lean and use for work. Thank you guys for your links!
     
  6. Nutty

    Nutty Little Dog

  7. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    they do not look mixed to me...
     
  8. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    and what would bring you to that conclusion ?:confused:
     
  9. Rogue Bullies

    Rogue Bullies Good Dog

    I think some of them might be staffs. They have a staffordshire section, but I am not sure if that means they are mixed or not. I might have to send them an email on it.
     
  10. Nutty

    Nutty Little Dog

    Busby's Belle Portesous's Dieezul, are mixed.
    Whatmore's Rose , Kavanagh's Sid may be pure bred


    Richards Snow looks like pur bred




    Other bull terrier breeds and working type EBT lines will still

    be used like the right type off old tyme

    stafford crosses in this breeding program but the percentage is low,

    as low as 10% in some dogs,


    and never more than 25%, the gene pool will never

    be locked on these


    dogs as it is in pure breeds, thus no bottle necks due to

    inbreeding and no

    closed gene pools will occur as it all too

    often does in pure bred dogs,

    there will be no inbreeding depression,

    leading to small litters and lower

    immune systems, or a higher frequency of genetic faults either.





    I would never buy a dog from there!
    Such mixe I find in each animal welfare!


    there are so many of the old ebt typ why they must then begin to cross in staff bulls? because I realize that it is frivolous.

    If I choose a breed to breed back to its origins, I make it right. and not on this path ...


     
  11. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    I agree Nutty.
     
  12. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    to be honest i didnt read anything off the website just looked at a few pictures...some of which looked pure enough to me....
    as regards resurrecting breeds like the ebt i agree you should really breed within the breed....my way of thinking is " you got yourself into this mess,you get yourself out of it "....
    however thats only because im a purist...for the benefits of dogs in general i think this breed could do with dipping into other breeds for a lot of qualities they lack...if that means they are not pure ebt anymore then so be it....i mean what would you prefer a happy healthy dog with british bulldog in it or an obese grotesque " but pure " british bulldog.....

    its just a shame these breeds are having to do such u turns after the show brigade has ruined them.
     
  13. Nutty

    Nutty Little Dog

    But these dogs are not much better. Anyone can mix. ebt back if I wanted to breed, I would me some ebt Select type of old, and I slowly build up a good line. But something like this takes a long time. Mix goes fast.
    why are these dogs good? what we know about the siblings of the shown dogs? and parents about? on health? I see only the four dogs, nothing else. no peds. not generations. no sporting successes .... No health examinations ... nothing! only these four dogs ...
     
  14. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    but thats what a dog show is....its just a judgement on a particular dog on a particular day,you dont know anything about the dog its history,siblings etc etc.....these pictures are no different to a dog show only you cannot see the dog walking,moving.......for all we know the sibling to a crufts winner could be a terrible representative of its breed so it doesnt matter how its bred.
    as regards type,these dogs pictured simply look less exaggerated and more agile healthier dogs,nothing more nothing less....but thats a start !

    whether you breed purebred or not is dictated by whether you are breeding dogs or breeding pedigrees if your breeding dogs for no reward or financial gain you dont care for pedigrees you just breed for improvement.....thats the thing some people nowdays are sticking 2 fingers up to breed clubs and standards having seen the mess they have made of some of these breeds and prfer to simply breed healthy robust agile animals.
     
  15. Rogue Bullies

    Rogue Bullies Good Dog

    To me if they are breeding them just for looks they are no better than the show breeders who changed the looks in the first place. If they use them for a purpose such as hunting then it might be a different story. As someone else said I would like to see health testing as well as titles.

    I would like a pure bred bull terrier from a reputable breeder that still uses them for work and some what has lean dogs. I am not sure if I will find one, but its worth a shot trying! Thanks guys :)
     
  16. jonnybegood

    jonnybegood Little Dog

    well there you go, just because its white doesnt always mean its a purebred pedigree bull terrier..

    well said Nutty

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    Type breed type!
     
  17. Nutty

    Nutty Little Dog

    I have a breed found in Germany, the breed on performance.
    He has dogs from the old working line "CHARIM" knighthood "and" Braveheart. "
    http://www.knighthoods.de/apps/photoalbum?aid=162909&o=view_details&page=2&token=

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    look at this vid !
    http://www.mobilejug.com/pakistani-...I/Bullterrier-Obedience-Charim-s-Melissa.html

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    and this page !
    they have beautiful dogs !
    the remind me on ambra !
    http://www.beepworld.de/members/knighthoods/apps/photoalbum?aid=162808&o=view_details&page=2&token=
     
  18. 12 gauge

    12 gauge Puppy


    if you only knew the bull terrier history, you would accept that what they are doing is recreating what was done in the past to create the real bull terrier. there's no secret there or any surprises crossing the BT back to staffords. Bt just had more terrier than staffords, until the show fanciers got a hold of them and started introducing other worthless breeds. I don't buy the story of the eggshape head deal. It's very simple, the fat low slung, deformed bull terrier of today is what sells and that's why most stick to it, no matter the well being of the breed, after all they're only dogs no? that's the mentality of most show fanciers and breeders, the reason why I say this is because if they really cared, they would keep them true to type and how they were created.
    it pays off to study the breed one loves.
    I wont change the way you think or the way you like your dogs, but please stick to the facts and be realistic and honest to this wonderful breed going down hill.

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  19. Nutty

    Nutty Little Dog

    why they must cross the bull terrier with the staff bull ?
    it gives enogh bull terriers from the old type !
    when i bred the bull terrier back, i choise dogs from this old terrier type !
    i can not cross a downfaced bull terrier with a staff (the staff is also a show dog ! and in this time he is not bred to performance and work !) and say my dogs are real bull terriers !!!

    look at the rottweiler. in the past he looks from the body like the dobermann. and when i cross dobermann and rottweiler, i cant say : this is the real rottweiler....
     
  20. 12 gauge

    12 gauge Puppy

    All staffords are show dogs, another assumption of yours! I understand now, you aren't blind you just don't want to see!!!

    here's some pics of staffords of today that have not and will never see a showring, because their owners know better and care about them:

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    i can show you few dozens more if you'd like, otherwise have a good life with your BT's.
     

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