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Do I have to rehome one of my pit mixes

Discussion in 'General Dog Discussions' started by Kaang, Sep 17, 2014.

  1. Kaang

    Kaang Puppy

    I understand the are a dog aggressive breed and I'm willing to do whatever is possible to raise health dogs and keep them safe. It started off with them fighting often ussually in a playful matter until the lesser one submitted but recently both brothers have caughten up in strength.

    now they are fighting for dominance and it's slightly harder to break them up. Before all it took to calm them was a loud firm hey break it up. I understand fighting is normal but I've read on some lesser boards that pitbull siblings can kill each other.

    my original plan was to keep them separated at all times. With the one exception of letting them into the backyard to play together. This would be easier because I have a roommate that could care for one. Though I dint want to risk the chance of one getting loose while I'm at work and hurting or killing the other.

    i understand it would take a lot of hardworking but I'm prepared to make any sacrifice to keep them in the same house. Though if it's not impossible to ensure they won't hurt each other I will rehome one! Plz help!
     
  2. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Administrator

    Crate and rotate. Have breaksticks available.
     
  3. Jazzy

    Jazzy GRCH Dog

    :eek4: That's a horrible idea!!

    They're already fighting and you want to let them out in the yard...to play??? Good way to get a dead dog.

    Bully breeds can be rough and play hard and play can cross the line and turn into aggression (and a huge ass fight) in less than 1/2 second.
     
  4. Kaang

    Kaang Puppy

    Way to give good advice. I was told to keep them separate, walk them separate, crate them separate and have a neutral zone in neither territory so they can grow as individual dogs and not become dependent on each other. I don't see where it becomes a bad idea. I've raised mutiple dogs at the same time and I've always let them play outside together.

    Its when the energy level comes down on the inside where I had to make sure they all go to their respective areas and behave.
     
  5. Jazzy

    Jazzy GRCH Dog

    Let me know how that works out for you.
     
  6. Beret

    Beret Bullyflop

    Why ask for advice if you're just going to snark when you don't like what you're told?
     
  7. Kaang

    Kaang Puppy

    Yea this was common practice at my house growing up we had a pit a cocker spaniel and an Akita. We always took them out before dinner and besides when we first got the Akita which was my sisters dog nothing bad ever happened. I'm not use to bully breeds but if a dog is well socialized being let out isn't a death match. Even know when my moms Australian cattle dog goes out with the pups tey chase her but there's no fighting she ussually just knocks them down with her running.
     
  8. Beret

    Beret Bullyflop

    So maybe you should listen to those who are.
     
  9. Kaang

    Kaang Puppy

    He didn't give any advice he just said it was a bad idea for whatever reason he didn't explain. Then said bully's play rough.
     
  10. 444

    444 Big Dog Premium Member

    *She explained how things could get out of hand quite clearly.
     
  11. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    Don't know why I'm bothering to explain this to someone who for all intents and purposes seems to be willfully ignorant and wanting to cherry-pick which facts he chooses to believe based on what suits his fantasy of owning "Pits" (though they seem to conveniently change from "Pits" to "Bullies" to "slightly mixed" depending on the argument), but you have a piss-poor grasp of the reality of what socialization IS and DOES when it relates to dogs, and individual breeds. The most dog-aggressive APBT on our yard is very well socialized. ALL that means is that he is conditioned to being around other dogs to the point where he does not flip his shit when he's walked in the general vicinity of other controlled dogs. That's all. It does NOT mean that the same dog will not attempt to kill another dog who is in his space. Socialization does NOT replace a dog's genetics.
     
  12. Kaang

    Kaang Puppy

    Thanks for being the only helpful member and telling me what I needed to hear. Thanks for not judging me telling me things I already know and suggesting I'm just some kid trying to be badass because I ask questions. It's nice to see not everybody on here is some PETA animal freak that takes everything personal.

    You actually care about my problem you don't need to make your self feel better by bashing a first time owner for asking questions and having his own opinions. But most of all thanks for not being a tool.
     
  13. ShanaRowan

    ShanaRowan FlirtPolin' Premium Member

    It makes no difference if they are siblings or not. Yes, they can kill each other. And no... yelling will not break it up.

    Whatever you've experienced before with other dogs means little when your current dogs wind up killing each other. Stop letting them outside together. This is coming from someone who has been there - I thought I could supervise a dog-aggressive bull breed mix around another bull breed mix well enough to avoid a fight. I was wrong. I was LUCKY that both dogs survived with puncture wounds. Please listen to the people here, they know what they are talking about.

    To answer your question, no, you don't NEED to rehome one of your dogs. I still have my DA dog, and 3 others. They all get worked, loved, and are very happy. But it takes effort and time and proper containment. You absolutely cannot slip up, and don't be stupid and think you can train or trust your dogs not to fight. And don't bring ANOTHER "guard dog" into the house if you can't handle these two.
     
  14. ShanaRowan

    ShanaRowan FlirtPolin' Premium Member

    Are you serious?
     
  15. Lillie May

    Lillie May Good Dog

    ^^^THIS! You are on a forum for people owning bully breeds, yet you think we're members of PETA?! The people here have owned these dogs far longer than you or I, how can you possibly think they don't know what they're talking about? No one on the planet can take away GENETICS, it can't be trained or loved out. Can you change the color of your eyes? With contacts, but your eye color will still be the same under the contacts. It's the same damn thing with these dogs. You can either stick around and get all the knowledge available here or leave. It's up to you.
     
  16. Jazzy

    Jazzy GRCH Dog

    I'm sorry if it came off snarky. I really do think that allowing 2 bully breed dogs that are already fighting with each other and are somewhat hard to break up to run loose in a yard together and "play" is a really bad idea.

    I thought I explained but I could have given more details. "Play aggression" is an actual known phenomenon. The link is from a book on dog aggression specifically on play aggression. Basically bully breeds tend to play rough - rough play can escalate into play aggression - play aggression basically means the dog gets overstimulated and it's behaviors escalate (rapidly) into intense threatening behaviors - so play turns into fight - in the blink of an eye. Your dogs have already shown this behavior - you said you have seen them "fighting playfully" and then you said that the "fights" have become more intense and harder to break up. Now you want to take them in a yard, off leash where they run around and get more stimulated which means play is much more likely to turn into a fight and they'll be off leash so now it will be even harder to get a hold of them and break them up. I don't mean to sound like an ass - but yeah, that sort of does sound like a death match to me.

    Aggression in Dogs - Brenda Aloff - Google Books

    Also keep in mind that aggressive behavior is very reinforcing - that means on some level it feels good to the dog. Any behavior that feels good is likely to be repeated. The more opportunities dogs have to engage in fighting or rough play - the more likely it is that that behavior is going to happen in the future, the more likely it is that that behavior will intensify in the future.

    I understand you've have dogs of other breeds outside together. These are bully breeds. It's a different ballgame entirely.

    And I'm a she :grin:
     
  17. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Administrator

    Bully breeds can be very well socialized. That won't matter because the one genetic trait they have in common is DA. So, being let out together can end up really bad.
     
  18. HaloCom

    HaloCom Puppy

    I'm also a first time bully breed owner (going on 8 months now) and wanted to share a recent experience - my dog has a buddy down the street from us and the two have played together for months in what we thought was a controlled environment (fenced grassy area) with observant owners. They had always wrestled and chased/knocked each other over, but a few weeks ago, latched onto each others throats and wouldn't let go. While we both rushed in and were able to separate them quickly by grabbing them under their back legs, it wasn't before both of them had puncture marks on their necks and various bloody scratches over the rest of their bodies. Also, I think we lucked out that both dogs let go due to the surprise of being grabbed and didn't have to use a parting stick to get them separated.

    A couple minutes later, they were laying down like nothing happened, but things between them escalated so quickly that I believe if we hadn't both been there and been paying attention, one or both of the dogs would have had much more serious injuries. We still see them on leashed walks and the dogs seem happy to see each other/lick each others' faces when they say goodbye, but given how quickly things went from play mode to drawing blood, we won't chance letting them "play" together again. Even if you're in the backyard with them, I think an important questions is whether you'd be able to separate them by yourself if things got out of control. And if the answer isn't 100% YES, don't chance it. My dog and her friend were on neutral terroritory and neither had previously shown dominance towards each other. If two dogs are already fighting, it seems like a big risk to let them out together.

    Like I wrote earlier, I'm a first time owner of this breed so I have more to learn than I have to contribute at this point. But I wanted to share this experience and how quickly things can turn from fun to chaos, even between "friends."
     
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  19. Cosmic Charlie

    Cosmic Charlie Good Dog

    ^ Great post and I'm glad to see a "new" bull breed owner and new member be so understanding of the traits of bull breeds and willing to do everything possible to prevent such incidents and most importantly, to be a responsible bull breed owner. Nice to see someone new that refrains from misinformation and ignorance.
     
  20. Swiper

    Swiper Little Dog

    Read the stickies.
    Dont think you know it all because no one does.
    Educate yourself. Do your due diligence.
    A pit bull is not like a cocker spaniel or a cattle dog.
    Dont trust your room mate to understand what you still cannot grasp.
    Dont ever trust a pit bull to not fight.
    Dont be on the 6 o clock news.
    Dont expect everyone to have the time to write answers that make you feel good.
    Keep asking questions because no question is a stupid question.

    Best of luck.
    Im flushing the toilet now.
     
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