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Discussion: what to call your mutt

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by Kamdon, Jun 19, 2012.

  1. SamThePitbull

    SamThePitbull Good Dog

    Yeah I actually agree with this for the most part. If you're educated about dogs and can make a decent visual guess, I think its ok. As long as you're educated and not just pulling breed names outta your ass (i.e. calling an obvious Am Bully an APBT). Sam came from a byb so Im not 1000% sure of her breed but I tell people shes a pit bull/ bull terrier mix. I dont see a problem with that. Anybody whos educated about bully breeds can look at Sam and tell thats almost certainly her mix.
     
  2. SamThePitbull

    SamThePitbull Good Dog

    for reference lol, I think I could safely say bull terrier/pit MIX
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  3. jacko

    jacko Big Dog

    crippen i call a stafford or staffordshire bull terrier, b/c that"s what he is..[​IMG]
     
  4. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    See, in the situation where a dog looks an awful lot like a particular breed, but the lineage is totally unknown I prefer to say something like "Well, Sam looks a lot like a bull and terrier type dog, but we don't know for sure."
     
  5. SamThePitbull

    SamThePitbull Good Dog

    Hmmm that is true. I dunno.. I know its not like super important or anything to know the breed but I still like to be able to put a name to it. Why? I dont know, but I do! I dont think papered dogs are the only dogs who should be able to have a name. Its not like I would ever tell somebody "oh shes a cross between a pure APBT and a pure BT". I tell people shes a mix. Usually when people ask I say "When we bought her we were told shes a Pit Bull but I think shes a Pit Bull, Bull Terrier cross"
     
  6. SamThePitbull

    SamThePitbull Good Dog

    For example. If you found this guy on the road, since you dont KNOW his lineage, would you not still call him a chihuahua mix?
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    If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck..
     
  7. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    Mix bring the key word. I wouldn't just call it a chi......
     
  8. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    That's where the "I think" and "looks like" comes in. I have seen a lot of known mixed dogs that look like purebreds. My sisters rat thing, Lily, is a Chi-Min-Pin mix from a breeders oops litter. She looks just like a Min-Pin,but we know she isn't. My old APBT-Chocolate Lab mix from an oops litter (how it was an oops I'll never know since two opposite sex intact dogs are gonna mate if you don't keep em separated) looked so much like a decently bred Chocolate Lab that I had a guy who shows and breeds Choc. Labs suggest I show and breed him.

    Just because it looks like a Chi doesn't mean it is unless it came from a reputable breeder with a pedigree. Looks are often deceiving.
     
  9. monkeys23

    monkeys23 GRCH Dog

    Okay first off, at the end of the day it seems silly to argue semantics... especially when if breed is obvious then its useful to use it as a descriptor. Especially when certain breed traits should be accounted for. Like all the pit bull type dogs adopted out as lab or cattle dog or some other "safe" breeds purposefully simply to push them out the door. Most under the statement of "gets along great with other dogs!" as well. So basically when the pit bull mix does what pit bulls do, that poor adopter is in for a world of heartache because of how unprepared they were. That kind of purposeful misleading really irks me.

    I have two purpose bred mix dogs. They were both bred for mushing. They probably aren't a fair example to hold up the average shelter mutt because of that. If you recall there was a study done on sprint race dogs a while back, proving that despite being "mutts" the breeding has created dogs more genetically consistent than most pure breeds of dog.
    Despite being from totally different stock, they are very consistent in looks, build, endurance, and drive. The variations therein are mainly apparent in Scout being more GSD, so she has more of those traits and totally doesn't understand Lily's spastic Siberian Husky zoomies. Likewise, Lily doesn't have the toy drive Scout does, nor does she go over the top in drive and do the GSD rapid fire excited bark like Scout does. Scout learned to woo-woo, but her vocal cords can't physically make the same range of noises that Lily can because she doesn't have near that much Siberian in her. Lily is more aloof, so training was different... I love working her and she's very devoted, but it was very different teaching focus because Scout has that natural GSD obsession with her person and is always staring at me. Scout will do things for me without asking why and Lily will always push, push, push (which I love) to see what she can get away with. Also, Lily moves like a sled dog in that single track gait, whereas Scout has the distinctive low slung GSD motion going on. Which if you compare side photos you can see the differences in typey breed confo that account for that. Despite having a lot more GSD in her overall, its still pretty obvious (at least to me) that Scout's not all GSD.

    I have met a wide variety of other sled dogs of the same or similar mix(s) as well as purebred Siberians in the shelter system and owned by other people, etc. over the years and all had very consistent traits that jibe with how my girls are, especially Lily. Granted Scout is out a hoarding situation in which some crazy a-hole decided he was going to "breed" sled dogs to take up north and sell... you can imagine how piss poor the breeding stock this crazy dude obtained was... :rolleyes:

    Comparison examples:

    An agouti Siberian named Hex
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    A DDR(east german) line GSD... if anyone knows his name please post, I just googled pics.
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    Lily freestacked @ 2.5yrs old. IMO she displays the perfect mix of both breed traits. She can do stuff I would never expect from a purebred Siberian. Of course Seppala line dogs aren't anything like pet bred Siberians and seppala/sep-alta heavy sibe lines and alaskan huskies seem to be favorites of a lot of mushers around here... but she's still got some pretty obvious GSD traits in her. And given how common it is to get a GSD or something to guard your sled dogs... And even more common to mix GSd, or Malinois more recently, and BC, etc. in to get better sled dogs. I remember being all excited as a kid watching the teams with the odd BC on the Iditarod, since we had one that pulled us around in winter lol.
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    A Seppala line sibe
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    Another in motion
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    Old pic thats pretty neat
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    Just another side view dog to show the movement
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    Lily @ 3yrs old
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  10. monkeys23

    monkeys23 GRCH Dog

    The girls together
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    Scout
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    Some of the other Butte Bus Rescue/Camp Husky dogs from Facebook photos:
    I wish I'd connected personally with the woman who has Scout's littermate, that looks exactly like her except a different color. We both deleted all our photos, etc. from the camp husky fb page. I'm guessing her reasons were the same as mine... Lets just say I'm less than impressed with this "rescue" operation. :rolleyes:

    Dogs on the bus, so disgusting.
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    a GSD in its new home
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    One of the mals from the bust. he is in his second home since the bust. Hopefully forever home...
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    One of the GSD females. The captions on the fb page tell a very sad and "interesting" story about the temperament of these dogs...
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    A guy and his camp husky dog hiking. Note the body language of the dog. :rolleyes:
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    pesky sled dogs
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    I think this guy's name is Fiver
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    Spotted pretty one!
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    Belgian/husky mix from the bust. Again, note the poor dog's body language.
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    One of the momma dogs that whelped in "rescue" triage
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    Another floofy. There were a LOT of pups born that pretty much all have this same look, in varying colors.
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    This is most likely Scout's litter. I'm not sure which one she is, but her sister that looks just like her is the one with the tiny little blaze in the middle. My gut says Scout is the one on the far far right.
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    Krista has more pics from the initial intake of dogs at the shelter before camp husky was created. I believe the Butte shelted euthed all the adults they kept and only adopted out pups because the temperaments were so poor on the adults. I know Krista has spoken to me of at least one pup that came back in and was euthed for bad temperament. Maybe she'll chime in with more pics and stories. :)
     
  11. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Cool pics and dogs, monkeys.

    The dogs created to run ultra distances like the Iditarod are some of the most amazing animals ever created by man.

    Carla
     
  12. monkeys23

    monkeys23 GRCH Dog

    Thanks. Yeah, I've been in love with these kind of dogs ever since I can remember. I will always have at least one sled dog.
    The vet who owns the practice that we go to volunteers at the Iditarod. He says Lily is just like the dogs he sees there. Our usual vet is one of the others, but he did her aftercare when she got attacked in 2010 as well as Scout's first appointment with them. :)
     
  13. SamThePitbull

    SamThePitbull Good Dog

    I think as long as you include that it IS a mix it shouldnt matter. But its a little extreme IMO to not allow people to call an obvious pit mix a pit mix since they dont have papers.
     
  14. Tahlz

    Tahlz Good Dog

    Yea, I'd call it Chihuahua but I'd also let people know he/she possibly has a another breed since i found her/him and don't know the parents.
     
  15. Fieldmarshal

    Fieldmarshal Big Dog

    There is absolutely zero need to assign a registered breed name to any dog that isnt registered. Breed registries exist for a reason, and they are the sole authority when it comes to the semantics of breed names.

    If you have a dog of unknown lineage, you cant logically assign a registered breed name to it, because that would be nothing more than a lie. If you want to assign a breed name then add "mix" to it, the logical assumption is one of the parents is of known lineage. If not, then its simply a mix, there is no reason to complicate it any further.
     
  16. catchrcall

    catchrcall Good Dog Staff Member

    If mom is a pit, and dad is a pit, then the offspring is a pit. It doesn't matter if it has papers or not, and a registry is not the final or approving authority on anything but it's self. Paper hanging is so common that just because a dog has papers it doesn't mean that the dog is pure anything. My BA dog is a pit all the way through, with no papers on any of his ancestors. It doesn't make him something other than what he is any more than my Betty dog is less of a Catahoula because she's not registered with NALC.

    I normally call BA a bulldog because that's my slang for pits and American Bulldogs.
     
  17. Krista

    Krista Krypto Super Dog

    Well, Dixie was a rescue and best guess is Schnauzer mix. Rudy was supposed to be 5 lbs by the idiot lady who gave him to us. :rofl: He is 30 lbs. at 4 years old and most likely an Airedale Terrier mix. Buster is all hound, so not really a mutt. :p

    Yeah the "Camp Husky" thing was pretty messed up that monkeys23 posted pictures of. Here are more pics of the dogs. Scout is pretty awesome, a lot of those dogs had aggression issues and were put down.

    This is the dog that came back after a year that bit the kid in the home so he was brought back and euthanized.

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    Snow
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    Rudy (Not my dog, he was a "Camp Husky" dog.)
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    Miller
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    Keg
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    Yote - She was actually pretty sweet.
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    Siofra we had at the shelter a few years ago. She was pretty aloof. Oh yeah the shelter listed her as an Irish Wolfhound mix. :rolleyes:
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    There were also a few that went to the dog daycare I worked at. They were all nervous. One of them was super skinny from being fed Ol'roy. :rolleyes: Monkeys23 can vouch that these dogs need a really good diet. They have a hard time keeping weight on due to poor nutrition at the beginning of their lives.
     
  18. monkeys23

    monkeys23 GRCH Dog

    Yeah Scout literally exploded the one time she got into my parent's dog's crappy Atta Boy. I'm not exaggerating, I had to scrub all the walls with bleach and shampoo the carpets, etc. Even on high end kibble it was hard to keep her tummy happy and her frame filled out, raw has been the best thing ever for her. I smugly chuckled at the other owners recent comments on the fb group page... they are all gripping about the hair and saying how many trash bags they can fill in one go. I groomed Scout last weekend and got maybe enough hair to make a fat cat? Raw feeding ftw. Conversely a couple of those dogs are pretty overweight from cheap food. Man, just knowing how embarrassed and awful Scout feels when her tummy is upset. Call me nitpicky, but I feel bad for those dogs. Ditto for the pain I feel for her watching her live with her genetic anxiety issues. I can't fix it because its genetic and I know others from that bust have way worse issues than her and aren't undergoing behavioral modification training like she is to make her quality of life better and to give her a "job." Its horrible watching her live with that and I'm blown away every day by how she keeps trying. I wish the other dogs were as lucky as Scout. But because they have owners and are free fed, everyone deserves a pat on the back for a job well done. :rolleyes:

    Not all papered dogs are created equal. I think its stupid to say you can't call a purebred dog purebred just because it doesn't have papers. Some of those are better than fancy papered dogs.... Nevermind all the shady shit breeders with registered dogs can do such as paper hanging, etc. Nobody wins being an elitist jerk is all I gotta say.
     
  19. Fieldmarshal

    Fieldmarshal Big Dog

    That made no sense, the kennel club/registry are the one who register/recogonize dog breeds and their respective names. They have authority when it comes to the dogs they register and the names they recogonize. For example, The American pitbull terrier is a recogonized and registered ADBA/UKC kennel club name.

    Catchrcall can create his own registry and register the same dog registered in the ADBA as a ABPT as pink pony in the catchrcall kennel club if he wants. And anyone who registers their APBT's in the catchrcall kennel club now can call their dogs pink ponies.

    If the dog is not registered in any kennel club, why call it a registered kennel club name?...because a registered kennel club name on a unregistered dog is as valid as naming your own breed....so the breed name is essentially meaningless to this unregistred dog.
     
  20. Team Peanut

    Team Peanut GRCH Dog

    honestly i don't see why anyone cares what someone calls their dog. if they are great breed stewards take great care of their dogs and are active with them why get down to semantics? I could careless what someone calls their dog or my dog it seems like such a giant waste of time to me to put so much effort into this. if you are not the one feeding the dog i don't see the issue.
     

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