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Cryptorchidism (Please HELP!!!!)

buffmaxwell

buffmaxwell

Little Dog
ok just let me first start out by saying my name is Ian and im new to this board whats up everybody.

Heres the problem i had. i got a little red bull terrier named maddox about 3 months ago. I had to fly him in from Colorado to where i live in tennessee. Now when i first got him everything appeared to be just fine with him. But when we took him to the vet they were like his other ball hasnt fully descended yet. They said not to worry about it until hes about 6 months, then start to worry. Well folks hell be 6 months on nov 1.

His left ball has fully descended but his right one hasnt. Its like half way there, and if you push on it you can push it down into the sac. I was just wondering as he gets older and his balls get bigger, if there was a chance where as his ball is almost out, that once it got bigger it my just have no choice but to completely drop. Or if there was possibly some kinda of slight surgical procedure that can fix it.

Also let me add im pretty irritated with the breeder for not informing me about this situation and the fact the i shelled out all of that money for him. I never had any intention on breeding him anytime soon, but it would have nice to have the option there, ya know what i mean? I mean i love him to death now so theres now way i could return and get my money back. So now im seeking other options to deal with this problem the best that I can.

Thanks guys
 
Hucklebutt

Hucklebutt

Banned Back Yard Breeder
Ian, your puppy was sold on CKC papers, right? It is unlikely you will find many people interested in breeding with a dog with CKC papers as it is not a common registry and most have AKC. Basically, when it comes to down to breeding, its almost like not having papers at all. You have papers to show the lineage of your dog a little, but its not ideal papers...

It sounds to like the other ball is coming down, cryptorchid is when the testicle is still in the abdomen, I had a cat whose balls I never saw because they were inside. It sounds to me like it will drop.

Give him some time, he is only 5 months old right? As long as the testicle is not inside the abdomen, as that can become cancerous.

Cryptorchid testicles can not be found early in young pups. There is no way to prevent it, no way to test for it.
 
buffmaxwell

buffmaxwell

Little Dog
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this is me pushing it down into the right spot. maybe this will help explain what im talking about.
 
Hucklebutt

Hucklebutt

Banned Back Yard Breeder
I cant really see too well I think this is something I would need to put my hands on as sick as it sounds :lol: But I believe, cryptorchidism is when the testicle is up in the abdomen. If you are able to feel the testicle I would assume it just needs to be equal with the other testicle...the only time it causes a medical issue is when its in the abdomen and the neuter cost more and it can become cancerous. I dont know what would be the result of it not hanging all the way. But again, give him some time, hes just a puppy you got awhile yet before you should be concerned.
 
Hucklebutt

Hucklebutt

Banned Back Yard Breeder
CKC papers have nothing to do with the quality of dogs or breeder...its just a registry pretty much designed for pet dogs (to add comfort the dog is pure bred) its up to the buyer to know and understand the registries.
 
jreyes

jreyes

Little Dog
Rogue Bullies said:
CKC = junk papers they will register a hamster as a dog...Be careful where you purchase your dogs from and read up on backyard breeders.

http://www.pbrc.net/breeding3.html
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I agree just because you have AKC doesnt mean you have a quality dog. There may be some CKC dogs that are better than AKC dogs out there :lol:. No need to bash on them unless you know for sure what kind of quality they are. AKC doesn't look at every puppy that is out there to make sure it is an exceptional representative of the breed therefore their papers are probably just as useless when it comes to choosing a quality dog. I mean sure you can look at the lineage and assume you're getting whats on that paper, but you never know...
 
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CoolHandJean

Krypto Super Dog
If it never does drop, you have two options.
1. Get the dog neutered, and just enjoy him.

or

2. Send him back to the breeder, and possibly get another pup from them.

Either way, I'd contact the Breeder and inform them about it.
 
Rogue Bullies

Rogue Bullies

Good Dog
AKC doesn't mean anything besides the dog being pure bred. Registry doesn't make the dog quality, but good breeders will use a serious and reputable registry.
 
buffmaxwell

buffmaxwell

Little Dog
yeah i agree with rogue. i think ppl lots of times get way to wrapped up with the akc titled attachment. i have seen some terrible looking bull terriers that were 100% akc registered. Jreyes has on of the prettiest bull terriers ive ever seen. I honestly think the liver tri color is coolest color they come in and the akc wont even recognize it and they're not even showable. that to me is really stupid but whatever. i think to many ppl care about titles and forget why they even got a dog in the first place. and honestly what the "AKC" considers to be the breed standard for a bull terrier, well i think they look dumb. All the ones that win shows just look fat. I would rather have one that is 55 to 60 lbs and ripped and has an aesthetic looking body than one that is 75 to 80 lbs and just looks fat. but hey call me ignorant, but thats just me.
 
Rogue Bullies

Rogue Bullies

Good Dog
buffmaxwell said:
yeah i agree with rogue. i think ppl lots of times get way to wrapped up with the akc titled attachment. i have seen some terrible looking bull terriers that were 100% akc registered. Jreyes has on of the prettiest bull terriers ive ever seen. I honestly think the liver tri color is coolest color they come in and the akc wont even recognize it and they're not even showable. that to me is really stupid but whatever. i think to many ppl care about titles and forget why they even got a dog in the first place. and honestly what the "AKC" considers to be the breed standard for a bull terrier, well i think they look dumb. All the ones that win shows just look fat. I would rather have one that is 55 to 60 lbs and ripped and has an aesthetic looking body than one that is 75 to 80 lbs and just looks fat. but hey call me ignorant, but thats just me.
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No, I totally agree about the shows and stuff. I prefer the working style in this breed, but I would buy a health tested dog from proven parents.
 
Bullful

Bullful

Little Dog
but hey call me ignorant, but thats just me.

Ignorance can be overcome with education!

The Breed Standard was developed by the Bull Terrier Club(U.K.) where the breed originated. It is accepted by the Kennel Club, The BTCA and The AKC.
This is the standard to which all bull terrier breeders should strive to achieve in their breeding program.
Liver is a dilute and not a desired color nor are pink noses(lacking pigmentation) or blue eyes.
Please visit the BTCA website ( www.btca.com ) and make yourself familiar with the breed standard.

Taken from a well known clothier... An educated consumer is our best customer!!!
 
jreyes

jreyes

Little Dog
I'm sorry bullfull but I did not see on the BTCA website anything about liver in the breed standard. Liver is a dilute of what color according to you? I personally was not the one bashing on your "show type" as I do admire them. I think color is just color if it doesn't concern health it should be accepted. Say what you will about my liver and how many faults you may be able to name but I will always be a fan of it. I doubt a champion dog owner like yourself would have anything nice to say about anyone's else's dogs on here anyhow.
 
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Miakoda

GRCH Dog
CHJ summed it up with the options on your plate. However, the breeder may not be willing to take the dog back. Not everyone is an honorable person.

Regardless, if the testicle has not dropped by 9 months, he needs to be neutered. Yes, it's going to cost you a little bit more than a typical neuter would, but if you chose to not do it, you may be hearing the phrase, "Well....it's cancer." in the not-so-distant future.
 
Rogue Bullies

Rogue Bullies

Good Dog
I do agree with most things in the breed standard, but as far as a extremely round head or super bulky body it means nothing to me. In most breeds forum follows function, however in this breed the head roundness means nothing. There is no function for it besides the "look".

I like my dogs functional and athletic. If its not broken don't fix it.
 
Hucklebutt

Hucklebutt

Banned Back Yard Breeder
Bullful said:
The Breed Standard was developed by the Bull Terrier Club(U.K.) where the breed originated. It is accepted by the Kennel Club, The BTCA and The AKC.
This is the standard to which all bull terrier breeders should strive to achieve in their breeding program.
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Thank God its not a law. :D

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Miakoda said:
CHJ summed it up with the options on your plate. However, the breeder may not be willing to take the dog back. Not everyone is an honorable person.

Regardless, if the testicle has not dropped by 9 months, he needs to be neutered. Yes, it's going to cost you a little bit more than a typical neuter would, but if you chose to not do it, you may be hearing the phrase, "Well....it's cancer." in the not-so-distant future.
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the testicle is not in the abdomen.
 
Bullful

Bullful

Little Dog
Response to jreyes

"I'm sorry bullfull but I did not see on the BTCA website anything about liver in the breed standard. Liver is a dilute of what color according to you? I personally was not the one bashing on your "show type" as I do admire them. I think color is just color if it doesn't concern health it should be accepted. Say what you will about my liver and how many faults you may be able to name but I will always be a fan of it. I doubt a champion dog owner like yourself would have anything nice to say about anyone's else's dogs on here anyhow." Today 11:43 AM

Jreyes,

You don't know me at all, nor do you know what I think of the many dogs whose photos are posted on the forum.

Just wanted to make one thing perfectly clear. I personally find the liver color very striking and for a pet dog it would be acceptable however I would never use it in my limited breeding program. The photos of your dog are quite nice and I hope that she gives you many years of happy and healthy companionship.
The problem I have is when people sell dogs with these faults and demand extra money for something that they claim is special when in reality it is undesireable in a breeding program. Blue eyes, pink noses, think white boxers!!!
There was no discussion that pertained directly toward you or your dog until this response. No Apologies needed for your very defensive post as I too would defend my dog if I thought it was being unfairly critiqued.

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Hey Danielle,

"Thank God its not a law. :D"

They're not laws, only recommendations!

Did you ever wonder how many of us wouldn't be here if they had a breeding standard for people?

Buffmaxwell,

Thanks so much for clearing that ownership thing up for me. We like to say that we are owned by him though.
 
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