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Cruel or Humane?

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by ButterflySouls, Apr 12, 2011.

  1. Actually, collies are very easy to live in an apartment with. Before I got married, Dude had a large backyard to play in and I took him away from that to live in an apartment with me, my husband, our bluetick coonhound pup and a tiny backyard. As long as the owner understands that they are working dogs and they give them plenty of exercise and things to do, collies are perfectly happy in an apartment. Dude gets to go out and swim almost every day and on days when the weather is too bad for a long walk or a run with the hubby, a long vigorous game of tug of war gives him the opportunity to let out all of his energy. He is a great apartment dog. I have introduced him to sheep and while he enjoys it for a while, he would rather sit next to me and watch the sheep. Collies (and coonhounds) can be perfectly happy in an apartment as long as all of their needs are met.

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    I can speak as one who has a collie. He is a smooth collie who has been with me since he was 8 weeks old (he will be 8 in November). Collies are very vocal. However, they are also very intelligent. They can easily be taught not to bark. I don't keep Dude from barking, period, but because he does live in a suburban area, he needs to keep it in check. We have 2 VERY noisy pit bulls next door. The male barks at everything, sometimes when there isn't even anything there and it is that barkbarkbarkbarkbark!!! in a very aggressive manner. The female just chimes in because she gets excited. She uses a happy bark. Even with those two going at full strength, Dude doesn't join in. He has been taught that barking will get him into trouble if he does it too much.

    If he starts barking more often than usual, I know something out of the ordinary is going on. He is a very quiet, mellow dog, and I have accomplished that without getting mad at him or using a shock collar on him. I also have a 5 month old bluetick coonhound pup who is vocal in moderation. I have two naturally vocal breeds who don't drive anyone crazy by overbarking.

    Now, the day before Buck came to me 3 months ago, my brittany, Hoss, was put down at 17 years old. He was my stepdad's dog originally. Before my mom and stepdad got together, my stepdad had Hoss's vocal cords clipped. Only Hoss. Our dalmatian didn't need it. It killed my stepdad to do it, but the neighbors were trying to sell their house and no one would buy it BECAUSE of Hoss. My stepdad LOVES his dogs, but he is not exactly the world's most patient man or the world's best trainer. In his mind, he was faced with the decision of either rehoming Hoss and risking him ending up in the shelter and put down because of his barking or clipping his cords. He went with the latter.

    Honestly, I think it was the better decision. He never knew the difference anyway. Dude used to get in trouble for eexcessive barking, but because no one could hear him, Hoss never did. He used his voice just like he would if sound still came out. He was one of the happiest dogs I had ever met. It didn't effect his quality of life. I don't see anything wrong with it.

    Would I do it? No. I find it perfectly easy to teach a dog not to go overboard with his barking.

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