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Confused about showing dogs

A couple of you know that I've been looking for a puppy for a few months, and I would really like to get a dog to do weight pull or show, but I have some questions about showing. (ABKC)

For the Ambully, the show classes are almost always American Bully, American Bulldog, English Bulldog, Olde English Bulldog, French Bulldog, and Shorty Bull.

Whenever you see these shows on youtube, you always see these short little dogs, so where do those big Ambullys show at? On their websites or on google you can find some of them at shows with ribbons, but what breed do they show under? The Ambully class is always filled with the really small dwarf dogs.

Any help is appreciated!
 
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NobodyHere

Guest
Why waste your money showing ABKC? ABKC is not a legitimate registry. I would take a look at UKC and read the UKC American Bully standard.
 
HEIGHT

The ideal height range for mature males is from 17 to 20 inches at the withers; for mature females it is from 16 to 19 inches at the withers.

It is important to note that dogs slightly over or under these height ranges are not to be penalized unless they are disproportionately massive or rangy.

Overall balance and the correct proportion of weight to height is far more important than the dog*s actual weight and/or height.

Eliminating Faults: Excessively tall, excessively short or overly massive dogs, and dogs with a height so far from what is desired as to compromise health, structure, movement and physical ability.

Disqualification: Dwarfism


I could not find any weight restrictions, but they do have "ideal" height restrictions, but a bunch of Ambully breeders have 20-23" dogs. Does "ideal" mean they are disqualified if they're over/under, or does it mean preferred?
 
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NobodyHere

Guest
HEIGHT

The ideal height range for mature males is from 17 to 20 inches at the withers; for mature females it is from 16 to 19 inches at the withers.

It is important to note that dogs slightly over or under these height ranges are not to be penalized unless they are disproportionately massive or rangy.

Overall balance and the correct proportion of weight to height is far more important than the dog*s actual weight and/or height.

Eliminating Faults: Excessively tall, excessively short or overly massive dogs, and dogs with a height so far from what is desired as to compromise health, structure, movement and physical ability.

Disqualification: Dwarfism


I could not find any weight restrictions, but they do have "ideal" height restrictions, but a bunch of Ambully breeders have 20-23" dogs. Does "ideal" mean they are disqualified if they're over/under, or does it mean preferred?

Read the parts you directly quoted where it says "eliminating faults" and "disqualifications." Here are UKC's definitions for those two things in case you're wondering what the difference is. If something is not listed as a disqualification, it isn't one.

Eliminating Faults: An eliminating fault is a fault serious enough that it eliminates the dog from obtaining any awards in a conformation event.

Disqualifications: A dog with a disqualification must not be considered for placement in a bench show/conformation event, and must be reported to UKC.
 
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ShanaRowan

FlirtPolin'
Premium Member
Stick to UKC... there are some nice dogs/breeders in ABKC and maybe some dual registered UKC but it would kind of be like searching for a needle in a haystack. UKC will help you in terms of conformation. They also sanction weight pull, but there are a ton of other orgs for WP as well you may want to check out (NWDA, IWPA, APA, UPF to name a few.) None of those orgs require a pedigree to compete, however if you start attending shows and talking to breeders you will get a feel for who is legitimate.
 
Read the parts you directly quoted where it says "eliminating faults" and "disqualifications." Here are UKC's definitions for those two things in case you're wondering what the difference is. If something is not listed as a disqualification, it isn't one.

Eliminating Faults: An eliminating fault is a fault serious enough that it eliminates the dog from obtaining any awards in a conformation event.

Disqualifications: A dog with a disqualification must not be considered for placement in a bench show/conformation event, and must be reported to UKC.


"Eliminating Faults: Excessively tall, excessively short or overly massive dogs, and dogs with a height so far from what is desired as to compromise health, structure, movement and physical ability."

I wish they would state what "excessively" is. The sire to the AMbully breeding I was initially interested in looks like 24", MAYBE 23". I can't tell. He weighs 120lbs but thats no working out, no weight pull, nothing. "couch potato weight"? Not fat, just normal. He's just a family dog. The dam I think is 20-21".

I'm not buying from this breeder for sure yet, I have until August to do so.
 

ShanaRowan

FlirtPolin'
Premium Member
Granted I haven't seen this breeder's website or dogs, but already, it is sending up red flags.

If the dog is being bred, he should be more than just a "family dog," and he should be titled in SOMETHING, otherwise he's simply not worthy of being bred. A breeder who emphasizes weight and measurements is not one I would patronize.
 
Granted I haven't seen this breeder's website or dogs, but already, it is sending up red flags.

If the dog is being bred, he should be more than just a "family dog," and he should be titled in SOMETHING, otherwise he's simply not worthy of being bred. A breeder who emphasizes weight and measurements is not one I would patronize.

I don't think he's titled but I'll look.
 

ShanaRowan

FlirtPolin'
Premium Member
I should have also said, titled in an organization that's not exclusively a bully club. You can PM me a link to the breeder since links aren't allowed here and I can help you make sense of it.
 
The ABKC, in its effort to include all dogs in their registry (to increase revenue), has four "classes" of American Bully. Including XL, where your interest lies.
XL // The American Bully Registry


yes they have different classes and the "bigger or taller" Ambullys are the XLs there isnt many that show because a lot exceed the standard of the height restriction in ABKC. i would attend shows to find what your looking for