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China: Pregnant or not.

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by chinasmom, Jun 17, 2007.

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  1. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    i have to agree with both these posts. quit your pissing and moaning and get it done already. if your vet won't, go to another one. signs of byb are becoming more apparent as this thread goes.
     
  2. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    China at work we have done spay/aborts a few days from birth. What my vet does is do a routine spay then get the Euthosol and inject it into each pup in the uterus.

    Get some pre op bloodwork done. And go ahead with it.
     
  3. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    Yup yup and yup.


    You are less of a "puppy-killer" this way IMO then sending dogs off to add to the growing population problem and uncertain lives and even more uncertain deaths.
     
  4. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    OOPS I meant he injects it after the uterus has been removed. LOL Just wanted to point that out. I wasn't specific before. And he does that just to make sure they are gone so he does not throw out any live ones.

    The only difference that I have seen is there is a little more blood than normal. But when you spay a female in heat there also is more blood as well. BUt if the labwork looks good. Then I would not worry about it. I think the same risk would apply in any spay. Get some pain meds and she should be good.
     
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  5. chinasmom

    chinasmom Little Dog

    OK I talked to Dr. Walden yesterday afternoon in a lengthy discussion about the risks. He said he has done them and hasn't had a disaster yet and the only thing he would be worried about is the loss of all the blood and keeping her full of fluids. We are doing it in the morning at 9 AM and I will be present. He'll do x-rays first to see what he's up agaisnt, the blood work up and off to surgery we go. I'm sorry this post made a lot of you angry, but I don't want to loose China. As I stated, I did not, in no way mean for this to happen. Sorry for all the hard feelings and hope we can all learn something from this and continue on. Pray for China and me tommorow. Thanks.
     
  6. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    Good luck tomorrow and thank you for making the right choice and being adult about the situation even though people are angry. I hope you understand why they are and learn from the whole situation.


    Best of luck China!!
     
  7. PitRottMommy

    PitRottMommy Little Dog

    By not having your bitch spayed, you may not have INTENDED for something to happen...but you were asking for it to happen.

    Dogs go into heat for a reason: breeding. And males respond to this for a reason: breeding. By allowing your animals to keep their capabilities, they can (and often will) use them.

    This extends the same to those of us who have males that are unneutered. If something happens, you have to be willing to deal with the consequences. That's a direct explanation of being a responsible owner..."capable and willing to deal with anything that may happen".

    Expect the worst, hope for the best.


    Sami
     
  8. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    It seems that the rescue mentality is always rearing its ugly head again. And the shoving(down the throat) is always there.

    LOL you HAVE to realize that spay/neuter is not an option for some ppl. Due to the fact that they show. And for some ppl to consitantly shove that in peoples faces by suggesting that you are not a responsible owner because you have an intact animal is plain irritating. And not all not waiting for it to happen. LOL

    Until the kennel clubs allow you to show with an altered animal this will not end.

    And yes there have been alot of responsible owners that have yard accidents (either fights or breedings) But fix what allowed it to happen. (and yes PitRot I know you said that in there)

    I am sorry but I am tired of some "ppl" looking down and always sprewing this mentality. I understand the reason for sapy/neuter and I tell clients daily the need to. And I suggest it daily as well. I live by this if they do not use it they do not need it. But it does not always apply. And people need to realize this.
     
  9. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    WAIT I WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING

    I should not have said rescue mentality. And I am sorry for that. I meant THAT MENTALITY.

    Also China's mom. I want to wish you the best. Fluids is a great idea. And so is the bloodwork. I am surprised he is letting you be present. I know it is harder for the owner to be there. I assisted in Scrappy's neuter I know I irritated the Vet LOL And yes there is more blood just like when spaying a female in heat. But when they clamp off the uterus and either suture it or use hemaclips before they cut and remove it. That controls the blood. It IS farily routine to do this type of spay.
     
  10. chinasmom

    chinasmom Little Dog

    Thanks Cyth. My vet has always let me be present for whatever the procedure, stitches, nuetering whatever. He understands my true interest in this field.
     
  11. Vanella

    Vanella Little Dog

    Chinasmom, Good luck and I applaud you for making the right decision...I know it was a difficult one for you because you are worried about the risks.........If you have a competent Vet the risk should be minimized.

    We'll be praying for a speedy recovery for China. :pray: And spoil her when she gets home.
     
  12. msvette2u

    msvette2u Banned

    I am late to this discussion, but I'd like to say good luck with China tomorrow.

    As to a comment made earlier, I'd also like to say that I'm a total spay/neuter "nazi" or whatever the term is.
    But I have no problem with people keeping intact animals as show animals, or what have you.
    Ironically we co-owned a show dog, a male Keeshond, a few years ago. The worst part was he pee'ed all over but that's beside the point :lol: He was never around an intact female while with us.
    My problem is when people are irresponsible with their intact animals and allow them to breed, and call it an "accident" (then often sell the offspring!)
    That's all I have to say about that. :)
     
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  13. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    THANK YOU Cynthia for adding this part, it really means a lot to me. IMO lumping all rescuers in a category is sometimes just like BSL, no?

    For example: The clinic I am working at now, there is an employee that I hadn't worked a shift with yet.... I worked with her today.

    By the end of the day she approached me and admitted that she was hesitant about working with me and had her mind made up that she wouldn't like me because I was a "rescue person."

    She apologized for ever thinking that and admitted that she does not think I am one of "those rescue people" and that she liked working with me and that im a compassionate tech and even *gasp* a nice person! :lol:


    So, regardless of today, thank you for correcting that statement, I really do appreciate it.
     
  14. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    Well thank you. After I wrote it I was like wait let me change this a litle.

    Check your PMs I wanted to say more but I wanted to try and stay on topic. Since I already drifted. LOL
     
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  15. Suki

    Suki Little Dog

    Best of luck and prayers en route for the best possible outcome
    and imo
    as long as you can take something positive out of something negative, then, hopefully lesson learned and it will not be repeated....
    good luck!
     
  16. chinasmom

    chinasmom Little Dog

    Thank all of you so much. I was just interested in the outcome for China. We love her dearly. Fingers crossed everybody!!!!!!!
     
  17. Madeleinemom

    Madeleinemom MS Bites, My Dog Didn't Staff Member

    All fingers and paws crossed here!
     
  18. JoeFeezy

    JoeFeezy Puppy

    I have my fingers crossed as well. Best of luck.
     
  19. jeoestreich

    jeoestreich GRCH Dog

    Fingers crossed here as well. Hope everything goes ok and best of luck
     
  20. chinasmom

    chinasmom Little Dog

    She Did Fine

    China and I are at home and she came through it like a pro. And again, nine puppies. That must be her lucky #! All of your fingers, paws and prayers worked. Thanks everyone. Now I've got to go and make sure my baby gets all the love and care she needs. :)
     
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