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China: Pregnant or not.

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by chinasmom, Jun 17, 2007.

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  1. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    man i hate to say it, but if you're reading between the lines of this thread this is the way it does appear. :(
     
  2. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    I'm with Mia......
     
  3. LindsaySF

    LindsaySF Puppy

    I agree with this. I also agree with Vanella. :(


    May I ask why you have an intact dog? Are you showing her? How many accidental litters have you had already?




    ~Lindsay~
     
  4. LindsaySF

    LindsaySF Puppy

    Sorry for the double post...

    Aren't you rehoming one of your dogs (Rebel) because you have more dogs than your town ordinance allows? How on earth can you bring a litter of pups into this? Please spay/abort immediately.




    ~Lindsay~
     
  5. chinasmom

    chinasmom Little Dog

    No other liters but the one we planned. I did get a chance to talk to Dr.
    Walden today and we have planned to go ahead and do it on Monday morning.I usaully get to look at the x-rays and all, but he wasn't in that day and this girl said she saw nothing and did not show it to me. I do not just breed dogs for the hell of it. I have enough on my plate as it is.
     
  6. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    Honestly if I were you I would have the Dr show you the x-rays and if he sees something I would ask for the amount of the x-rays credited back to your account. Because if she was not qualified to make a diagnosis then she should not have. SHe could have waited till the DR was in and had him call you back. JMO

    Also I wish ya'll the best of luck.
     
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2007
  7. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    In regards to x-rays, 45 days gestation is the earliest it is recommended to do them. Why? Because more times than not nothing shows up. ;)

    Personally, I'd have had her spayed from the get-go. But that's moot now so just have her spayed tomorrow.
     
  8. chinasmom

    chinasmom Little Dog

    Thanks for all the feedback everyone. Wish us luck tommorow!
     
  9. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    What about a relaxin test? That only is about 20days gestation from the package insert. Or even sending out blood to idexx or antech. Still a tech that I am aware of when looking at xrays you still should get a Dr to look over it. JMO. We only go to school for 2 yrs as opposed to how long they go to school. Also I am not knocking techs with years of experience.

    And good luck China!!!
     
  10. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    There are other methods to determine pregnancy before that time, however I was under the impression the tech took x-rays, read them herself, & sent Chinasmom on her way.

    We've done blood tests with an overall decent average. Those are done ideally between the 28-31 days gestation if I remember correctly, however they can be done at other times. However, we do see an increased number of false positives.

    I'm old fashion. If you've got an intact bitch that is that way for no reason & you think she's pregnant, spay her. Period.
     
  11. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    No I agree if an animal is intact for no reason (ie Show, breeding) then there is no reason for stay intact. Shoot after I get done showing mine he is getting wacked. I do not plan on breeding so he does not need them. Plus I do feel the health reasons benefit the risks as far as spay/neuter go.

    But maybe it is my schooling I may see something or do not on an x-ray I still consult the Dr.

    But either way she is getting spayed tomorrow.
     
  12. Suki

    Suki Little Dog

    Good luck and i'm glad to hear no more "accidents" will be taking place. gutta agree, as i say this OFTEN: "once is a fluke, twice is a pattern".
     
  13. chinasmom

    chinasmom Little Dog

    OK Suki, Mia or anyone else that knows about this China and I just got back from the vet. He's telling me of all the risk involved in terminating this late in the pregnancy, that I could possibly loose her. Now what do yall think. He said I could come back in the morning if I decide to go ahead with it. Isn't this basically a c-section and then a spay?:confused:
     
  14. punkinrock

    punkinrock Puppy

    Whew. This may sound harsh, but why are you on here asking forum members to help decide the fate of your dog?

    This whole thread really bums me out.
     
  15. PitRottMommy

    PitRottMommy Little Dog

    We do emergency c-sections all the time. I have NEVER lost 1 dog under anesthesia or to post-op problems when all precautions were taken...and I'm talking probably close to 1000 dogs, if not more.

    However, the life of China is more important (IMO) than just raising a few puppies. At some point, you just have to do what is best for mama. If he feels that her having the puppies would be the best for her and then having her spayed, that's the way I would do it.

    My utmost concern would be for mom.

    As far as that goes, a c-section that involves a spay is basically the doctor going in and removing the puppies from the uterus and then removing the uterus and the ovaries. If he's aborting, the uterus/ovaries comes out as with a spay...and the entire uterus is discarded.

    That sounds harsh, but I couldn't word it any nicer. :(
     
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  16. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    Whatever you decide to do, at SOME point get the dog spayed so no more "accidents" happen please. That's all I'm saying in this thread because I'm not very happy about this.
     
  17. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Chinasmom ... personally if you I didn't trust my vet's opinion 99.9 percent (which I do) ... then I'd get the opinion of another vet.

    Regardless, if I were in your shoes at this point I would have the litter, find them good permanent homes if possible and if not, then euth. But give the mom and pups a chance at this point. It seems far past the point to try and change nature's course.

    Just "2 cents" from a non expert ;)
     
  18. Suki

    Suki Little Dog

    she should be ok to handle the anesthesia, provided she's in good health. and yes emergency C-sections are not that all that uncommon and can be done with sucessful results, but being that he sounds, imo, apprehensive about doing the procedure, due to its risks to China, (as he so stated), then if you feel more comfortable waiting til after her delivery, then do that. but PLEASE, as soon as is physically possible/feasible for that dog, get her spayed.
    and sorry if i came off as a bitch~ you guys should know, from GD, i'm not that way..
    this is just a really sucky situation...
    i wish you the best, either way, tho, if you have doubts, then don't.
    raise the pups, like a responsible owner, and spay her as soon as she is physically able.
    and yes
    good luck.
     
  19. Vanella

    Vanella Little Dog

    Wow........I hate to be the pessimistic bitch on this thread, but again, I ain't buying it...Emergency C-sections are very common in rescue when a bitch lands in a shelter pregnant.....There are rarely homes for the dam let alone the 10 pups she is going to have. Are you in a position to take back any of her offspring in the case that the home isn't working out?

    Do you even have potential homes lined up for these puppies? Are you homing them or just selling them?

    I'm really sorry about my pov on this, but I've been around long enough to know that this was either an act of complete irresponisility on your part, or you meant to breed your dog.
     
  20. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    Suki: you could never be a bitch.

    My concern is that Chinasmom already has to put one of her dogs up for adoption because of a city ordinance that allows only so many dogs and she is over the limit. How is she going to be able to keep these pups if there are no good homes lined up? What happens to them? This was a mistake that could of been prevented and to me, irresponsible.
     
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