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China: Pregnant or not.

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by chinasmom, Jun 17, 2007.

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  1. chinasmom

    chinasmom Little Dog

    Didn't know where to post this, so I hope here is OK. Last week when China was about 10 days in her heat cycle, she got out of her kennel. I went out to water the dogs and she came from where one of her male offspring was. Don't know if they hooked up, but what are the chances the pups will be OK if they did. I know a lot of ppl keep breeding back into the line from which they came. By the way, that is her boy in my avatar.
     
  2. shadyridgekennel

    shadyridgekennel Little Dog

    they should be fine. we have done a father to daughter breeding before and all the pups where fine.
     
  3. PitRottMommy

    PitRottMommy Little Dog

    It isn't recommended to do direct line breeding because of the high chance that something genetically problematic will occur with the puppies. I've seen everything from puppies born without an anus to cleft-palate puppies, entire litters DOA, severe malformation of complete anatomy and even those puppies that do live into adolescent hood when owners realize something "just ain't right" with them (mental retardation, if that isn't too blunt or even rude).

    On the other hand, lots of litters are just fine. The closer the lines when breeding, and the more frequent in past (grandfather, grandmother, etc) the lines were bred closely, the higher the chance of problems...but alot of the litters do turn out just fine. I wish you luck if she does turn out pregnant :)


    Sami
     
  4. shadyridgekennel

    shadyridgekennel Little Dog

    not entirely true. alot of breeders will line breed. for a few reasons one to find out if there is anything 'wrong' with the lines.but 98% are fine.
     
  5. bullygirl807

    bullygirl807 Puppy

    I can atest to the fact that line breeding can be problematic. The last line breeding we did, we had one pup come out with a forehead that was slightly under developed and another pup with a cleft palate. She now requires a teeth cleaning once a week as her nose, gums and teeth are split right down the middle and I won't risk the chance of infection setting in her teeth. Not saying that all line breedings suffer problems as we have done several other line breedings and all was well. Just thought I would share my story.
     
  6. shadyridgekennel

    shadyridgekennel Little Dog

    then the ones with the problems should be culled.
     
  7. bullygirl807

    bullygirl807 Puppy

    Duely noted; however she was kept for our house dog and will remain with us until she dies. She will never be sold or placed with anybody nor will she ever be bred. She would have been culled if we hadn't decided to keep her.

    [​IMG]
     
  8. DryCreek

    DryCreek Little Dog

    With the APBT there is a diverse genetic background as compared to some other breeds who do not have such diversity. This close of a breeding should not be a problem as long as the dogs are not very tightly bred off of the same family of dogs to begin with. If the dogs are tightly bred and parents and littermates show no genetic problems, and the litter produced shows gentic problems, you cull the problematic ones, and if you plan on breeding the offspring, you must make sure you add diversity to the line to "freshen it up".

    Is China inbred to begin with or does she combine different bloodlines/family lines in her ped?

    Is it possible for you to post her ped?
     
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  9. bullygirl807

    bullygirl807 Puppy

    That is the exact situation that happened with the litter mentioned. She wasn't culled as she is ours and isn't going anywhere. I have no plans for her and she will be spayed. I know the cull procedure, just chose to keep her instead.
     
  10. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    I don't see anything wrong with close breeding provided the person knows completely about what they're doing, and had used all the tools at their disposal to make sure those dogs are healthy. Personally, and no offense to Chinasmom, I don't think an accidental breeding qualifies under those criteria.
     
  11. Patch O' Pits

    Patch O' Pits Good Dog

    I'm a bit confused on why you all are calling this a line breeding (?) It is an inbreeding. Inbreeding is a tool used by breeders along with line breeding and outcrosses to achieve desired goals

    Inbreeding is
    mother to son,
    father to daughter
    brother to sister,
    full brother to full sister

    As you move down the line like a female to her grandsire and breedings such as that or dogs not so closely related but still within the same line then it is line breeding

    With inbreeding especially since you are technically doubling up on the genes you can get the best of the best but also the worst of the worst. You take the chance of also doubling up on the faukts the dog carries and producing that in the pups as well. Recessive genes that you didn't know were even carried can pop up too.

    Linebreedings are much safer breedings IMO . Those who chose to inbreed really need to know their lines and what is behind them fully and not just directly behind

    You could abort the litter if you think there will be major issues or hope for the best. There really are no other choices at this point since what's done is done
     
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  12. chinasmom

    chinasmom Little Dog

    I am trully hoping she is not. The last litter was enough for me. And I have tried the abortion shots before and they really srew up the harmones. All I can tell you about China is that she's Colby/Jeep with some Corvino way back. The sire to her offspring came from GA. I have his Ped.

    Sire
    Ronnie's "Tank" Sire
    Roye's "Tiger" Sire
    Rushton's Red Bud Sire
    "General Arthor Lee"
    if this field is left blank, this column will
    not be in the pedigree.
    Dam
    English's "Red Eyed Jill" Dam
    "Heavy Duty Spuds"
    Sire
    Bailey's "Cain El Toro" Dam
    Jordan's "Prudance Dixie" Dam
    "Miss Chopper" Sire
    James' "Chopper" Sire
    Rushton's "Red Bud" Dam
    "Heavy Duty Spuds" Dam
    Ashley's "Susie Q" Sire
    Sullivan's "Peanut I" Dam
    "Heavy Duty Spuds" Dam
    Harter's "Sweet" Sire
    "Loverboy Patch Harter" Sire
    "Dixieland Peanut" Sire
    "Deco-Bruno Spike" Dam
    "Buttermilk Patch" Dam
    "Heavy Duty Spuds" Sire
    Bailey's "Cain El Toro" Dam
    Jordan"s "Prudance Dixie" Dam
    Mc Duffie's "Prissy" Sire
    Mc Dow's "Chainsaw Brandon" Sire
    Mc Dow's "Crusher" Dam
    Osborne's "Satin Rose" Dam
    Giambrone's "Terrible Tara" Sire
    Walden's "Kegger" Dam
    Power's "Powerful Aryan"
    __________________
    I don't know much about peds but was told there was someGreenwood and Loposay in here.[​IMG]
    This was the sire to Chinas pups. The ped that I showed.
     
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  13. chinasmom

    chinasmom Little Dog

    Don't know if that helps much, but it's all I have. Thanks for all the posts.:)
     
  14. Patch O' Pits

    Patch O' Pits Good Dog

    OOOps I actually meant a spay/abort if you aren't going to breed or show her.
     
  15. chinasmom

    chinasmom Little Dog

    I actually wanted to get that done already. Hubby thinks she's fine the way she is.:no2:
     
  16. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    Yeah, but who gets stuck taking care of the puppies? If its you, I'd say you're the one who calls the shots. ;)
     
  17. chinasmom

    chinasmom Little Dog

    So True. Last time she had nine and try feeding them 3 times a day and cleaning poop.:eek:
     
  18. KJS

    KJS Puppy

    If you already wanted to get it done than go now...the sooner the better...even if the luck of the gods is on your side and she did not get caught this time...why risk her escaping to god knows where next time the "urge" takes her...and as you have already had pups from her then her job is done
     
  19. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Your cleaning poop seems to be the least of the problems with an accidental breeding.

    Where are these pups going to end up?

    Sheesh it's bad enough breeding APBTs on purpose right now with the population glut IMO. :no2: But no one here seems to see anything wrong with it.
     
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  20. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    IMO, if you are not breeding to better/preserve this breed, then you have no business breeding. I'm sorry, but especially with this particular breed, there's such an over-population already. Pits are being euthanized every day. Get the dog spayed.......
     
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