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Chains, not much of a debate

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by buddysmom, Jun 26, 2007.

  1. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    The reason I saay not much of a debate is that I think i'm the only one here who belives this:


    If you must keep several dogs outside at the same time and you do not trust these dogs not to hurt each other then build runs that are well separated. If you can't afford that then stop breeding /acquiring so many effing dogs.

    That is all.
  2. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    Go look at the post that Marty made in the RIP Princess thread. THAT is what a chain setup should be like.......
  3. Shon

    Shon Little Dog

    Have you read this? Can you offer your opinion on it?

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  4. holybible

    holybible Puppy

    the only problem with kennel runs is that if you have a smart one hell eventuly get out of them and cause havok on the yard or local bullys in the area
    is there a way to put pic on the reply and ill have some kennels that have done the trick for A freind of mine
  5. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Shon I'll give that link more attention when I have a little more time, and I'll respond.

    I did see Marty's setup. It looks safe and very humane for the dogs. Very nice ... FOR a setup where all the dogs live on chains it's the best one could imagine.

    I did invite people over here because it is a memorial thread over there. Out of respect if not for Sedalia then for Princess can we get the discussion over here?

    I am sorry Marty is so frigging tired of my debating. There are some fundamental differences between my view of the world and Marty's and most other people's here obviously.

    If you want a forum where everyone is on the same page then I'll take my leave. If not then let's talk/debate. I'm not afraid of it, is anyone else?
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  6. Shon

    Shon Little Dog

    You can attach a picture by clicking on Manage Attachments when you are replying to a thread\post. If you're using the Quick Reply, you'll need to click Go Advanced to see the option. Furthermore, once the attachment is uploaded, you can click the paper clip icon at the top of the text box you reply in to include a thumbnail of the attachment within your post. :)
  7. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    Buddysmom: also keep in mind that some dogs that are on chain setups are working dogs......different than my JC or your Buddy....:)
  8. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Yes and i know what their work often is. That is the heart of my feelings Michele ... maybe not the chains but the circumstances in which people need so many pit bulls that necessitates these elaborate chain setups to keep them all for this work that they do.

    You know, I wouldn't last 2 minutes at game-dog, that's why I never registered there ... but I read a lot there and I know what is going on, and I don't like it.

    I don't want to keep slapping people around about something they can't talk about / admit to on a public forum ... that's not right because theey can't defend themselves prooperly ... but I have such strong feelings about the subject that it's tough for me to be here sometimes, and I'm sure equally tough for some people to put up with me.
  9. No one

    No one Big Dog

    Buddysmom trust me I'm not trying to run you away I'm trying to educate you on a proper chain set up and how it works ;)
  10. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    Buddysmom: I'm not only talking about the apbt here as far as working dogs. I'm talking about other breeds too. In the article that Shon posted up, they talk about sled dogs. Then you have your herding dogs. And dont' think that just because it's an apbt on a chain setup that it's there because it fights. Not true. Not true at all. They hog hunt, they weight pull. They do alot of stuff, as other breeds do as well.......
  11. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Well that you did, thanks Marty ... really I just had a revalation: It goes beyond chains for me; they are not the main issue. And the main issue is not something that I would want, ask, or expect anyone to talk about. So my debates probably are useless because they come from somewhere else (see 2 posts above yours) So I have really gone "off topic" on myself, going after the signs and symptoms but not the cause of what I see as the problem.
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  12. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    I can't say anything against that, for sure.
  13. Shon

    Shon Little Dog

    There is nothing wrong with a debate, and there's nothing wrong with differences of opinions... but it seems as if your opinion of certain subjects carry on to other threads\subjects that happen to remotely relate to your opinion of whatever topic that they may relate to. You can have your opinion and voice it as often as relevant, but some of the negative responses you have to threads that just happen to mention a chain or a "dogman" or anything else, doesn't require you to offer your opinion of how bad it\they are.

    I'm sure there is no one here who is scared of a debate, but there's no reason to debate it in nearly every thread that deals with it. :)
  14. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Hey everyone, no hard feelings. One of my main issues, that can be brought up is with breeding. And I have made my feelings known on that. So it's all cool. Maybe this conversation can be put to bed now (but I will read more closely and respons to Shon's article).
  15. Shon

    Shon Little Dog

    No reason to have this conversation "put to bed" as it is a good conversation to have. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it, just the inclusion of many threads with it. And breeding is a good issue to be against, as long as you understand that limited and responsible breeding is necessary (which doesn't at all include people who advertise it).
  16. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    Buddysmom..... if it makes you feel any better, I disagree with them too.

    IMO if you have that many dogs that you need to keep them on chains, why keep them? Why have them at all? To what purpose does it serve?

    That and every time I think of a chained dog I think of a statement by Karen Delise:

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  17. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    It does help, thanks. And that is an excellent quote; I really appreciate you sharing it.
  18. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    Not everyone has dogs for pets. People have dogs for other purposes. And sometimes, you have to have a different kind of setup for them. If you do it the responsible way, you should have no problems...

    People ask why..why must you have that many dogs? Well, why do you only have one dog?.....it's whatever you want. As long as it's done responsibly. :)
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  19. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    And I know and understand that statement Michele.... I do BUT I don't agree with it. That's just me and while I may not agree with it, I don't hate people who do it, it is just not something I would do.

    Again though, why have that many? I mean I understand what a working dog is, but do you need say 8 working dogs? Why so many?
  20. Shon

    Shon Little Dog

    In the spirit of debate, although I have nothing to say to your comment, your quote may or may not be accurate. I can't really disagree with the "neutered, household 'Pit Bull'" comment, because it includes "neutered" and many "attacks" or press releases do not contain that information. But I can assure you that there are just as many or more "house dogs" that have been involved in fatalities or simply dog bites than there have been chained dogs. It is much easier for a dog to break through a window, screen, open door, etc. than it is to break a chain.

    And just to add, although it is somewhat irrelevant, chains do not simply "break," they are most often worn down from wear, weakened by such, and the so-called "owners" simply do not take the time to check for such wear.

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