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Chain Spots

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by valreegrl, Sep 21, 2012.

  1. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    I suppose i could see that happening with a thin framed dog, but ive never seen an issue with these breeds doing that. to give an example.. you should see twister on a chain spot. lol. anyways. most (not all obviously, i listed one example already) of the dogs ive dealt with, tend to get used to their doggy neighbors and dont constantly sweep and fire off. they can, and will, but its not 24 hours a day. crazy chain running chewing dogs ive dealt with, but theyre not slamming into the end 24-7 either. theyre just running around like crazed dorks. lol
     
  2. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    not all dogs enjoy chain spots thats for sure. my house dog dont. he cries and acts like he cant move. lol
     
  3. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    I wish I had the space to set up chain spots for each dog, but I don't have a yard that's big enough for 4 spots where the dogs can't reach each other or the fence.

    Rita is my basking dog. She gets quite disgusted when I make her come in because the others are ready and I have things to do. But I won't leave her outside alone because I am pretty sure she could hop the fence if she found proper motivation to do so. A nice chain spot would solve the problem, but I haven't got around to setting one up yet. Maybe next spring.
     
  4. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    And some really like it. Lord knows the Husky across the street would rather have a leg cut off than be in the house. He loves his tether. When the weather gets really bad the neighbors bring him in and he spends the entire time in the house pacing and vocalizing by the door because he wants out so badly. He loves people, sure, but he'd rather they come out to spend time with him than be taken inside. Only dog I have ever met that makes me feel sorry for him when he's brought in the house, lol.
     
  5. catchrcall

    catchrcall Good Dog Staff Member

    BA is like that to a point. Unless he's really tired out you get about ten minutes with him in the house. Outside he'll spend time with you all day long and be happy as can be.
     
  6. 21 Dre

    21 Dre Puppy

    I would say a "PROPER" chain set up all the way because it proves to be more responsible for the intended purpose it's being used and it's much less problematic. Although the cosmetic aspect, from a societal standpoint, is frowned at, such an option has proven to keep my dogs on the yard without a question. I do have one in a kennel and he loves to jump.

    My worry with that is as he jumps, that his paw will somehow get caught in the chain link as he is coming to a landing, then it just snap like a twig. Now THAT would turn my gut for sure. Plus it really seems that mine are just plain happier on the chain. There are other things I could add...but I'm at work, LOL!!!
     
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  7. hey get back to work! lol just kidding. ;)
     
  8. AmandaH

    AmandaH Puppy

    I'm not against tethering if it's for a short period of time while the owner is home.

    We just had a pit bull shot by police in a nearby town because their dog chewed through the cable tie and dog got loose. It wasn't a necessary shooting, as the dog wasn't hurting anyone or anything, but he was a pitbull. And, that's all the cop needed to see..."loose pitbull - just shoot it." The dog was shot in his own front yard.

    Some breeds are ok living outdoors. But, I'm totally against pitbulls living outside, especially tethered. Pitbulls have a stronger need for human interaction, and their short coats are not designed for cold temps.
     


  9. that wouldnt have happened if i were to tie him/ her up. a jackass can screw anything up. thats why there are so many bad things associated with this breed. too many jack asses own them that cant tell their ass from there left foot. if that dog was tethered properly with the proper equipment that shooting would have never happened.

    Imo kenneling and tethering are the same, one is just more eye appealing. chaining with the right chain gives a dog more freedom though. its just we as humans have associated chains with the prisoners or slaves because of media. its a endless debate really, just know there is a right way and a wrong way with everything and having a dog live on a chain set up is not wrong. the moderator cynthia had beautiful setups with large chain runs on soft dirt. have a dog kenneled in that area and it would have costed atleast $4,000 to cover that area with a wire gauge kennel and it still wouldnt have gave the room as the chain.
     
  10. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    Im curious as to why they shouldnt be outside. a proper set up the dog will be warm as hell.
     
  11. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    That "study" has piss poor "science" all over it. The FDA rules prevented tethering again, there was no "control" group, there were two different sets of dogs used, the dogs were already adults, etc. I'd take it with a grain of salt.
     
  12. direct quotes taken from that article
    can you explain further on what you mean 2 sets of dogs were used. from what i understand only the sled dogs were used and non other. if you mean male and female were used then that adds to the study. they are both one and the same breed also.

    "This study compared general activity and specific behaviors of 30 adult Alaskan sled
    dogs, 19 male and 11 female dogs, on 3.5 m tethers and in 5.9 m2
    pens"


    "Animals and Observation Methods
    The subjects were 30 Alaskan sled dogs: 19 male and 11 female (mean age =
    56.8 ± 9.3 months). Observations took place in the morning (1000 to 1200 hr)
    and in the afternoon (1600 to 1800 hr) from April to August 1997. Observation
    time was selected by the observers to avoid the dog’s morning feeding. Total observation time was 160 hr for all dogs (80 hr over 2 months in each condition).
    The behavior and location of each dog was recorded every 2 min using an instantaneous point sampling method"


    the control group is the kennel and the experimental group is the tether atleast from my understanding.


    the experiment was based on 30 sled dogs 19 male and 11 female and they both had 80 hours each on kennel and tether data gathering.

    shure the time frame can be argued about or maybe could have been longer, but hay we are in the USA and thats were the experiment was done. the objective is clear though and that is that tethering seemed to give the dog a better joy of its space and freedom. i cant see your problem behind this study. 160 total hours may not have been 12 years, but its enough to collect certain things to add to the study.
     
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  13. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    "USDA’s tethering rule prevented the dogs from being tethered
    again, so the experiment could not control for order effects."

    Coulda been a fluke, the behavior they saw the first time

    "To test for the effect of seasonal differences, the behavior of a separate group of
    tethered sled dogs was compared to that of penned dogs in the summer. Although
    the tethered dogs (19 male and 17 female) observed in the summer were different,
    the management, location, and observation methods were the same."

    A separate group of dogs which basically means that behaviors could be wildly different due to rearing differences and personality differences.


    I don't disagree that tethering is probably better, but you have to admit the study was done very sloppily.
     
  14. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    I'll just say this. My dog has been on a "zero exercise" plan for the past 3 weeks due to her heart arrhythmia (her heart rate at one point was 360 beats per minute, 4.5x her normal heart rate). When she hasn't been at work with me for monitoring and medicating, she has been home. Every time she is in her crate, she kicks the pan out, pulls on the wires, spills her water, and last week she even peed in it. And when I get home, instead of being a quite, content dog, she is whining and moaning.

    This is the perfect instance of a dog that needs a chain spot, since she can't get any other exercise. On a chain, she would easily have the ability to regulate her own exercise for a few hours, walking around, sniffing things, taking in the sights, being physically and mentally engaged. In a crate, she is bored. And a bored dog with no exercise is a very, very bad little doggy.

    I'm not saying that she can't be crated. She typically loves her crate, and knows the routine and gets in before I even tell her to and lays right down. She typically has no problem in her crate. But she's losing her damn mind and to be put in a crate is just the salt in the wound for her.

    Luckily, she's been cleared for light exercise, and even a little agility, so we will hopefully see an improvement in her crate-ability. But, if I had room and didn't live in an area where I felt she'd be stolen even if I had a moat and a fire breathing dragon guarding her, she's be out on that chain faster than you could blink.
     
  15. germboy

    germboy Puppy

    I have always had my dogs on chains. Never had a dog stolen, bred or hurt my the use of one. I think it is a much of humaniac HSUS crap that dogs are "left alone" when on chains. They have a hella lot more fun on a chain then in a lil tiny kennel pacing all day caged within 4 walls.
     
  16. Ali132

    Ali132 Good Dog

    You are clearly very misinformed about chain spots as you posted about a dog that was on a cable tie out.
    I don't know any dog that would be able to chew through a chain.

    And why do you have this theory that dogs on chains get no human attention?
    And you do realize not everywhere has cold temps? Catchrcall lives in Texas no cold weather there. Not to mention dogs on chains in cold weather get insulate dog houses so please tell me how they would be cold?

    Your theories are based off something you know nothing about and your just going along with what the animal activist who humanize their dogs think.
     
  17. LovePup

    LovePup Good Dog

    No cold weather my butt! They get snow in texas! LOL

    Anyways I have had dogs 'snap' a cable chain not chew it.
     
  18. Ali132

    Ali132 Good Dog

    LIES!!! (ok ok so maybe I learned something new but I know places like Cali dont get snow!)
     
  19. Beki

    Beki Good Dog Premium Member

    Yep, it snows in Texas! And it does get cold there as well.
     

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