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Chain Spots

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by valreegrl, Sep 21, 2012.

  1. valreegrl

    valreegrl Little Dog

    Not to turn this into a heated debate, but a knowledge building exercise :)

    Chain spots....

    Why use them?

    What is the benefit?

    Why not utilize an alternative?

    For my own reasoning, would like knowledgable answers.

    To be honest I would reject an adoption application for anyone utilizing a chain spot. At this moment I believe there are better alternatives. HOWEVER, I also adopt out hard dogs. And maybe I am limiting their home availability.

    Would just like a valid discussion again for me to weigh the pros and cons.
     
  2. TannerG

    TannerG Boss Member

    what are your pros and cons?
     
  3. valreegrl

    valreegrl Little Dog

    My cons would be...

    Lack of interaction, too easy to chain and forget.
    Frustration due to passing objects (person, people, things) and having just enough room to start towards it yet not enough to get to it.
    Medically- getting tangled, dragging a heavy chain, accidental hanging.

    Pros: management
    (trying to add more here)
     
  4. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    My replies in red.


    Lol I guess I would not be one you would adopt to. Nevermind the 10yrs in the Veterinary Field. The dogs I campaign for conformation. Between my Bf and myself the Show CH we have. And the countless rescues I have taken in and placed in loving homes. The most recent had a prolapsed penis and tried to chew it off. Almost had to have it amputated. But with nursing care I was able to save it. And one of the Vets I work with is adopting him.

    No I am not a responsible home because I tether.
     
  5. Vicki

    Vicki Administrator Administrator

    I keep mine in the house when I'm at work. One will be in her crate, in her own room, she has physically damaged her crate because she gets a bit excited at breakfast and dinner time!

    When I'm home, one goes out on her chain spot, the others are in a fenced area of the yard. Supervised. If I leave one certain individual unsupervised, he can and WILL go up and over a ten foot solid wood gate.

    As long as you have responsible owners, you should be ready and willing to adopt. I'd adopt to a person who tethers over one of those who has an underground fence. [​IMG]
     
  6. valreegrl

    valreegrl Little Dog

    Thank you for your responses. I didn't start this thread to debate which is better but ssimply for my own knowledge. I have never been exposed to chain spots which is why I asked.

    I admittedly said I would refuse the app but I also stated why, coming back to this question. I may be limiting homes due to my lack of knowledge in regards to this type of containment. Not saying its right or wrong just simply ignorance in this area.

    Can you clarify something for me....

    I understand why a kennel vs. a chain spot would be necessary for some dogs. But where do you stand when it comes to dogs contained outside without supervision? Do you feel they are open to outsiders such as theft, damage and/or loose dogs?

    More so than the particular containment options my worry is their vulnerability to others. Could you possibly offer an alternative to that thinking?
     
  7. 4girlsgiggling

    4girlsgiggling Big Dog

    My parents have several chain spots. They take exceptional care of their dogs. Reasons for the chain spots:
    Hunting season, they live in a very rural area, and during hunting season, they do not let the dogs run free on thier 100 acres.
    If we were having a lot of company, mom prefers to put a couple on the tie out, various reasons .... don't want them to get fed something ... company is allergic to dogs

    If there is a construction project going on


    Crazy nieghbor moves next to thier property, and threatens to kill the dogs (happened twice in 30 years) one was actually Schizophrenic, paranoid about dogs

    When the dogs press thier boundaries ... bitch in heat, deer carcasses tempting them to wander.

    She has used a tie out for years around the chicken coop, to keep coons, and wild animals deterred.
     
  8. valreegrl

    valreegrl Little Dog

    Same thought process...dogs left outside unattended. I feel as if they are too vulnerable to outsiders.

    As for e-fences...I would much rather someone who lives in a suburban environment (neighborhoods where other dogs are prevalent) to walk their dog rather than utilize an e-fence. But on the opposite end we live in a very rural area. Most homes are on at least 15 acres, workin farms, etc. Here e-fences are very prevalent because it's very costly to dog fence such a large area. And most have 'working' dogs whether that be a job on the farm or companionship to farm or land owner as they move about their day on their property. Often times an e-fence is temporary as their dog learns the boundaries and no longer need the collar.
     
  9. 4girlsgiggling

    4girlsgiggling Big Dog

    Well, my brother's beagle was stolen, "Flash" during hunting season one year!
    Thank God, my dad investigated, and found the idiots!
    So, for them ... the chain spots are keeping them safe.
    My great grandma kept her shepard chained in front of her porch, for protection. Not 24/7. She was in her 80's and lives alone. She swears he kept possible intruders away.
    Her house could be seen from I-70, she had hitch hikers knock on her door various times before she started putting Frisky on his tie out.
     
  10. 4girlsgiggling

    4girlsgiggling Big Dog

    I forgot to add ...
    There is always someone home, my brother is 28 and lives there.
    My great aunt lives across the road.
    My aunt and uncle have property adjunct to my parents.
    Everyone watches out for each others animals.
     
  11. Vicki

    Vicki Administrator Administrator

    An e fence is worse than a tether.

    A dog gets to it boundary with it's collar on, and gets shocked. Squirrel goes by, dog gets thru fence, but, alas, now cannot get back home, because that darn e fence keeps zapping him. There are more residential and rural areas banning the e fence, simply because of its innate ability to scare the shit out of passerbys and their animals. My parents lived down the road from some people who thought it was hysterical to leave their big dobermans out when people were walking by.

    A properly tethered dog usually won't get loose, as long as hardware is maintained properly. Ideally, if you are going to tether a dog, it sure would be more fun to have a privacy fence or a nice wire fence out back to keep the wandering peek-a-poo from rolling in the deep. [​IMG]
     
  12. MY PROS AND CONS

    Ive used 1/4 inch chains with a grade of 70 on them in the past. they were very light chains and the dogs moved freely on them.

    pros
    a 10X10 kennel gives 100 sq ft.
    a 10X10 proper chain setup gives the dog 314 sq ft.
    if i were a dog id pick the proper chain set up ..... a proper set up for a chain is not around a tree. its done right to allow the dog the most movement. you can use a axle shaft from a car or truck it doesnt matter or even a ground anchor if its long enough and deep enough in the ground.....

    pros
    its cheaper to get a good chain set for the dog than it is a kennel that doesnt give the dog as much movement. i have mine in 10x10 kennels now and i feel sorry for them. i paid $600 for each one (2 of them $1200 altogether) and they get shit for movement. i paid $70-$80 for a chain set up(chain, orings, laplinks and axle) and they were getting more movement and more exercise on the run than in the kennel.

    pros
    did i mention it is cheaper and they get more room to move?????????


    cons
    there is no barrier on a chain as with a kennel, but if your yard is fenced this should not be a problem.
    and that is my only con.

    YOUR CONS


    "Lack of interaction, too easy to chain and forget.
    Frustration due to passing objects (person, people, things) and having just enough room to start towards it yet not enough to get to it.
    Medically- getting tangled, dragging a heavy chain, accidental hanging"


    Your cons can be said easily with kennel and with a chain set up. i can easily taunt and frustrate a dog in a kennel as on a chain. what you do to avoid these issues is to move the dog into a area were the dog can not be visually stimulated while being contained whether its on a chain or in a kennel. your lack of interaction can be played both ways. i can easily if i wanted to just walk into my kennels and drop the food down and ignore them cleaning there kennel out 1x a week. i can do this also on a chain. its not the set up, but the maturity of the person who owns the setup. a tangled chain never happens on a good chain setup. tangled chains happen on horrible setups, so in actuality you cons arent cons at all on a certain housing option.


     
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 21, 2012
  13. valreegrl

    valreegrl Little Dog

    E-fences are not on my favorable list unless as I said it is utilized on a large property. Large as in over 10 acres. Passerbys and boundaries are not really an issue as the e-fence is often times set back from each of those.

    How do tethers protect the dog from outsiders? My concern is more because of the breed. Lot of crazy people stealing bullies for inappropriate use. As well as the bully haters who feel this breed is better off eradicated.
     
  14. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    Mine are on their chain spots unsupervised. I would never trust one unsupervised in a fenced in yard running around all day. Or with a doggy door.

    Yes they are vulnerable to theft. But there are many what ifs in both house or yard. Fires, break ins, power outage in house (heat/air). Cant live by what ifs.

    Loose dog's honestly I am not to worried about as far as safety/fights.

    We currently have a privacy fence around the dog yard. And the dogs are tethered or penned. I do have a seperate fence in the front yard for play.

    If a peek a poo decides to come on my property not my problem if it ends up dead. We have a leash law. My dog is contained. I am obeying the law.

    We used to live on 16 acres in a forest. We did not have fences around them then. Now we live in an agucultral subdivision. There is a fence around the 5 acres. And we have the privacy fence around the dogs and a 1/2 acre fenced for play.
     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2012
  15. valreegrl

    valreegrl Little Dog

    First of all, I do not chain dogs so the comment as to me utilizing them for muscle building purposes is ludicrous. If you would have read, I actually run a large rescue.

    As for my knowledge of kenneling systems...our rescue operates on 16 acres with a fully outfitted kennel and exercise yards. Believe me, proper containment is built into my day to day life. Especially because we have many visitors and volunteers and need to take any precaution necessary. As well as the fact that DA dogs are housed in close proximity of others which relates to even more security.

    I started this thread because when I lack knowledge in an area yet have an opinion one way or the other I would rather gain knowledge than spew useless information.

    I would like to be educated and not berated.
     
  16. 4girlsgiggling

    4girlsgiggling Big Dog

    When Flash was stolen, it was before my parents used the tie outs.
    He was stolen off of our property, not far from the road. He was visible, and they scooped him up.
    The dogs are tied out close to the house, someone would have to drive into the driveway and see them, then attempt to steal the dog(s).
     

  17. sounds beautiful!

    my dream is to own 20-50acres........
     
  18. valreegrl

    valreegrl Little Dog

    Do most people who utilize chain spots leave their dogs unsupervised?

    I see Cynthia has a privacy fence and containment within. With both in place her dogs would be less vulnerable.

    Just wondering what general consensus was on that issue. Are they open to neighbors, passerbys or do most utilize a fence plus chain spots?

    Would also like to add...what about noise? Barking dogs and neighbors. With indoor containment the barking would be somewhat muffled.
     
  19. 4girlsgiggling

    4girlsgiggling Big Dog

    Also, my mom has said before that she can move the tie outs, and her dogs have fresh ground under their feet.
    Also, they don't need to use them all the time, just as needed.
     
  20. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    Also, if I'm walking through my yard say from the house to the barn, and I pass the chain spot, it's very easy for me to reach out and give the dog some attention real quick. Put my hands on the dog, let it jump on me if I'm okay with them doing that, full body interaction almost as if the dog was not contained. If I am walking past a kennel, I can put my fingers in for the dog to lick, but it's not the same level of interaction.
     

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