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Castration,Ear Cropping=Unnecessary Mutilation

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by Jim, Mar 6, 2010.

  1. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    PETA, you dummy!!
  2. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

  3. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    Looks scientific to me!
  4. danaa0824

    danaa0824 Puppy

    In my city we have a lot of people that just keep breading pits. My dog cat is my family. I found a free clinic to spay her. They explained how the cropping of ears and tails go and advised me not to do it. Shes beautiful until she tries to kiss me do a twist and knock me in the face with her tail. Crazyyy girl. Baby in a horse body lol

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  5. ETRaven

    ETRaven Little Dog

    Normally a reputable breeder will take care of that for you....docking occurs when pups are extremely young.

    Free clinics are pretty anti conformation/cosmetic-type stuff. Take that into consideration when talking to them.
  6. danaa0824

    danaa0824 Puppy

    I understand that but my vet for 20 yrs advised me not to crop ears or tail. She is beautiful natural. I just had her spayed at a clinic. She was born on a baddd neighborhood probably outside no true love. And i accepted the free spay.

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  7. ETRaven

    ETRaven Little Dog

    Your vet probably advised this bc your pup was outside recommended cropping age, not to mention docking age which is typically done at around 3 days old.
  8. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    There are a lot of vets that are just against cropping, it seems. Maybe more in Canada than the US. It actually just got banned in my province about a month ago.
  9. ETRaven

    ETRaven Little Dog

    There are a lot around here that are against it too. Cropping is definitely a dying art. I'm pro-c/d, but I would never force my agenda on anyone. A lot of the vets that are anti-c/d seem to force their platform on people.
  10. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Yes, I am too. Personally, I think it is ridiculous to ban ear cropping but try and shove spay/neuter on every single dog owner alive. Removing functioning organs seems a tad more harmful than removing a bit of skin and cartilage, but that's an argument for another time/place...
  11. ETRaven

    ETRaven Little Dog

    I'm with you BC. The logic is flawed, but you're right, another time another thread.
  12. Mandaj

    Mandaj Puppy

    I know I'm late to the party but cropping is banned where I am from.
    Spaying/neutering is mandatory if you are getting a rescue/adopting and usually the dog is already done pre adoption (if you get a pound dog then they give you a free voucher for bull breeds and mixes).
    Personally I've only had female dogs and had them all spayed because I've had to but would have had them spayed anyway because they aren't pure breeds and we have a big enough issue with unwanted dogs as it is.
  13. oldfashioned

    oldfashioned Puppy

    After exploring this site and reading up more on adverse effects of neutering I'm on the fence now. In fact I've had two dogs in the past whose personalities completely changed after neutering, both got grumpy and one turned downright mean. This is just anecdotal evidence and I'm sure there are thousands of dogs who don't, but it gives me pause, all the health issues.

    However, in order for me to get my dogs papers with the ADBA I have to show proof of neutering to the breeder. What to do?
  14. Madeleinemom

    Madeleinemom MS Bites, My Dog Didn't Staff Member Super Moderator

    Neuter him. I know the concept is a bit painful for a male to consider, but it generally does not change a thing about their personality.

    From my own experience: our very own Trusty is neutered and there was no change in any way, shape or form in behavior or personality.

    Ditto for two foster dogs of the male persuasion :)
  15. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Yeah, I firmly believe that spay/neuter should be a personal choice, but the reasons I advocate for waiting or holding off completely are medical, not temperament related. I've seen absolutely no evidence to make me think that altering a dog effects their temperament to the point of "turning them mean". I would think that would have more do with with genetics than status of reproductive organs, plus many dogs are altered during puberty which is a time that dogs start to push boundaries and change as it is.
  16. oldfashioned

    oldfashioned Puppy

    As for cropped ears I don't have any moral issue with it if it's done under an anesthesia and pain meds are supplied, we chop the foreskin of our kids dicks off for no good reason other than to make the penis more attractive looking. I choose not to crop in order to give my pup a less aggressive look for those unfamiliar with the breed. I live in a tight-knit village and I'm sure there's already apprehension about a "Pitbull" in the neighborhood. I want to keep him looking and acting super-friendly to be a good ambassador of the breed to your typical white suburban WASPY folks that I live among.
  17. There is more to it than removing skin and cartilage. The ears on the dog perform a specific function. Or many actually which include: helping your dog with sense of directional hearing. Chop your ears off and see how well you can tell where sounds are coming from. Notice how the dogs ears move around when he hears a faint or high pitched sound? He's using the ears to pinpoint specific sound. Cropping the dogs ears reduces his ability to do that. You are handicapping your dog when you crop his ears.
    His ears protect his inner ear parts from dirt, water, bugs, wind, and yes cold.
    Most veterinarians won't do this anymore because of the reasons listed above. People, stop handicapping your dogs hearing.
    The ears are the way they are for a purpose.
  18. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Well, neither of my dogs have cropped ears so addressing this to me personally is dumb.

    Ever noticed how wild canids have erect ears? Floppy ears are not really natural, they were created through selective breeding. Wild dogs have survived through natural selection for thousands of years, you'd think if it were that big of a "handicap", nature would have sorted itself out by now.
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  19. durock

    durock Puppy

    I spay 90% of females.i depend on my chain setups to keep males from unwanted breed ings.i put alot of effort to keep dogs where i want them.successful for a long time.
  20. Nataliya82

    Nataliya82 Little Dog

    It's really a freaking epidemic, it is terrifying. In my city, the shelter dogs are almost all pits. I see so many totally unfit people with them in the yards, it's tragic. My pup always wants to be with us, has to touch us, lay next to us, interact. I can't even fathom putting him in the yard for the entire day! He plays in the yard for about 5 min, then scratches on the screen door to get back in and plop on the couch next to me. We have some idiots across with 2 pitbulls who constantly get out and are pretty aggressive. I confronted them about it when their pit female attacked my Loki and then ran inside our house! My SO put our leash on her and took her back. I was NOT happy. The "owner" apologized and said he didn't have a chance to train his dogs (wtf??) The dog just had pups and I saw the guy carrying a puppy the other day. I wish I could report them somewhere, it is absolutely infuriating. This is why I believe in s/n, cause 80% of these people where I live are irresponsible assholes. Oh, they have 3 untrained pits, one pup, and a baby in their house. Great choices...

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