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Castration,Ear Cropping=Unnecessary Mutilation

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by Jim, Mar 6, 2010.

  1. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    Ear cropping I think is purely for the look and if that's what floats your boat, cool.

    Spaying I do think of as medically a good idea if you aren't breeding or showing. Just because of Rita having Pyometra and being at such high risk of Masitits I don't want to have an intact female who is "just a pet".

    For males, I do not think neuter necessary, but I admit I do not like the look of the danglies dangling.
     
  2. PitBerry

    PitBerry Puppy

    There are some people who own Pits to make up for their masculinity issues. These people often refuse to neuter their male Pit. I've heard many of these people say "Naw, keep his manhood." Some say it is cruel and mutilation. Here's the thing, people often project human feeling onto dogs. When neutering, some humans feel sorry for the dog as though it knows what happened. After neutering, there's no doubt that the dog senses a change down there. But some people act as though the dog is going to think "Oh geez.... They took my manhood... Now I can't impregnate any females..."

    All that happens is that the dog's frustration of not being able to mate is taken away. If not taken away, this frustration can lead to some behavioral problems, such as inappropriate humping, aggression, marking, or roaming.

    These behavioral issues can be a liability issue. Most dog bites occur from intact males. Humping can cause many nasty falls. Marking takes a toll on furniture. He could get loose and possibly bite someone, which contributes to the Pit Bull stigma, and leaving the owner responsible. Roaming can put your precious dog at risk of being hit by a car, impregnating stray females, picked up by animal control, or even stolen and used as a bait dog.

    We love giving our dogs freedom, having them run in a fenced yard, or play at a dog park. Some of these freedoms are taken away if they aren't fixed. The owner must be even more vigilant when the dog is intact. The dog is not allowed the same freedoms as fixed dogs due to being under such high surveillance.
     
  3. Ali132

    Ali132 Good Dog

    Wow did they send you from PETA?
     
  4. Ali132

    Ali132 Good Dog

    At least if your going to spout shit be educated on it..you just look like a fool
     
  5. Boogieman

    Boogieman Good Dog Premium Member

    I think I just got dumber reading that ignorant shit.
     
  6. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    Lol.... For once we agree..... This is becoming all too common
     
  7. I got Cujo neutered becuase I didn't want to look at balls all day.
     
  8. Ali132

    Ali132 Good Dog

    They say people do it to be masculine so what is it called when a woman does it?
    I know a lot of different types of people who have cropped dogs.

    My favorite part was about the bait dogs :rofl:
     
  9. Pink

    Pink GRCH Dog

    Bait dog? Dog park? I believe someone needs to stick around and become educated themselves, before trying to educate us.
     
  10. E Diggy

    E Diggy Big Dog

    Sorry, but this seems completely ridiculous. Most bites come from intact males? Do you have anything to back that statement up? Roaming of course can cause problems, but if a dog is neutered, is it any less likely to be stolen and used as a bait dog? If I don't get my dog neutered, is it because I'm compensating for my masculinity? Some of what you say is true, sure, but you're being pretty broad with this post.
     
  11. DangerZone

    DangerZone Little Dog

    ..Da fuq did I just read?
     
  12. LovePup

    LovePup Good Dog

    Agreed :lolup:
     
  13. Leslie H

    Leslie H Good Dog

    The data says the highest % of bites are by intact, chained males. However, there's way too many holes in the data to actually say that any of those factors are causal.
     
  14. PitBerry

    PitBerry Puppy

    No. I HATE PETA. They are hypocritical idiots with the tragic inability to understand the bond between dogs and humans. They are for BSL solely because they believe it is a start to end dog ownership altogether. I will never give up my dogs. So no.

    As for the bait dog thing, I simply listed some things that MAY happen IF a dog gets out of an owner's yard, whether they are fixed or not. However, the urdge for unaltered males to wander in search of females is higher than that of a dog.
     
  15. Ali132

    Ali132 Good Dog

    Right except there is no such thing as "bait dogs" like I said educate yourself before spouting shit. Half the crap you said is just as bad as the people who believe in lock jaw and that all pit bulls are human aggressive.
    I guess ignorant is what I'm looking for
     
  16. catchrcall

    catchrcall Good Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Holy shit its getting deep in here. Nut a dog to prevent sexual frustration? What a load of crap. I've been sexually frustrated about a thousand times in my life and every time I've recovered without any ill effects. I promise a dog will too. That's just one more pile of bullshit to push people toward neutering.

    The only way humping is goingto cause a nasty fall is if a min pin falls off a Great Dane. Ridiculous. Don't let your dogs hump on top of the garage and you should be good on this one.

    I always laugh when people use the "could get grabbed" reason for cropping. That may be the official excuse but its just laughable, especially when they leave a collar on the damn dog. Better take any loose skin off the neck too. Wouldn't want it grabbed. I don't buy the hearing bit either. Just admit it's for looks and move on. I'm not at all anti cropping on somebody else's dogs, just anti BS.
     
  17. Boogieman

    Boogieman Good Dog Premium Member

    This thread isn't for your own stupid ass rants that have nothing to do with the topic PitBerry. If you can't stay on the topic, then stay the fuck out of the thread. Your ignorance is beyond stupid at this point. Yes I'm the one who deleted your most recent silly shit.

    In case you need to know what the topic is, go to the top of the page and look.

    Carry on everybody
     
  18. Good_OL_Boy

    Good_OL_Boy Good Dog

    Catch, you left me with the greatest visual, a min pin humping a Dane on a garage...

    i agree with neutering pet dogs, I'm against dog balls. Too many dogs in shelters for my taste. I could care less if someone wants to crop their dogs ears too, it looks amazing on some dogs, and others look great with ears. I heart docked tails too, I know docking is highly frowned upon in the APBT world, but I love it on my rescue mutt with a haggard ass backyard dock.
     
  19. K9 Love

    K9 Love Good Dog

    Maybe it's because I'm half asleep, but I actually agreed with most of it once I waded through it... I think;

    - there are some people that have pit bulls for their own self image, yup I think I can agree with that
    - there are some people that refused to neuter dogs because it takes away their manhood, yup, definitely experienced those people, not saying ALL people are like that with unaltered dogs, but some are
    - if you have an intact dog, you need to be extra vigilant so it doesn't roam and make oopsie babies, sure

    Now the biting and marking I tend not to agree with, those fall into training for me not whether the animal is neutered or has cropped ears IMO.

    Call me cold blooded but I've never had an issue with a crop done by a reputable vet and properly cared for afterwards. It is solely because of the look to me, I've always liked Dobermans, my flavour of the past few years has been Beauce's and I prefer those dogs cropped. Just my opinion. I know plenty of cropped dogs and none of them seem to be leading a less fulfilling life because when they were a few months old they had a surgery that made their ears stand up and look pretty.
     
  20. Pittcanna

    Pittcanna Little Dog

    My 2 cents:

    I can not comment on ear cropping, as i had a boxer in the past with cropped ears, and my current pit-mix has natural ears. So i can not make an informed opinion. However the jury is out going by what vets say. I know the reasoning because if a pit was a fighting dog it gave the dog less to grab a hold of in terms of a fight.

    Castration: Purebreed, properly vetted dog, that has all the best intentions, castration is not needed. However a mutt or not even papered, all rescues do it before there adopted. My guy is castrated and he is happy, better than being a stray left for dead.
     

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