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Castration,Ear Cropping=Unnecessary Mutilation

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by Jim, Mar 6, 2010.

  1. Jim

    Jim Good Dog

    I know there is a thread on ear cropping but this is more about how people can advocate castration for example and then say that cropping a dogs ears is cruel,unnecessary,whatever.

    Are they not the exactly the same thing?
     
  2. Jrm1985Ohio

    Jrm1985Ohio Good Dog

    Are you talking about having a dog fixed? That is a relatively simple procedure and in my opinion is for the best of the dog. There are to many unwanted animals out there.
     
  3. Jim

    Jim Good Dog

    Yes I'm talking about having a dog fixed. Everybody knows there are too many dogs but is it medically necessary for the dog? Is it as "cruel" as ear cropping?
     
  4. Jrm1985Ohio

    Jrm1985Ohio Good Dog

    I don't think it is. I do think it is nessecary. I would not have an unfixed dog. I am not a breeded. There is no need for me to have one who isn't fixed. The ears do nothing but look good to the owner. Fixing a dog serves a purpose.
     
  5. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    Seeing as the neutering procedure is relatively painless to the dog, I don't see it as cruel.
    Ear cropping can go very wrong and cause a lot of pain, and serve no purpose other than aesthetics.
    I don't think you can compare the two..... Neutering serves a very important purpose for most communities. Cropping serves none.
     
  6. Jim

    Jim Good Dog

    But for people who show dogs that place better with cropped ears does it not serve them a purpose? People castrate their dog because people say you should and they can't be asked to keep their dog away from females.
     
  7. Jrm1985Ohio

    Jrm1985Ohio Good Dog

    There are other reasons to castrate a dog. An fixed male or female dog can also be more aggressive. Cropped ears are not a requirement for shows, the ears should have nothing to do with the dogs overall placement.
     
  8. Chapstickglue

    Chapstickglue Big Dog

    A female's chance for cancer increases exponentially with every subsequent heat following the first.
    AT THE SAME TIME- being that I worked in the dog post-operative, post-injury, and geriatric rehabilitation field and took surveys from clients- It appears that sterilization prior to a dog's twelth month of life significantly increases their chances for weak knees and hips. Many dogs that have been sterilized early have longer legs than the breed standard calls for and what their parents had. Long legs=weak legs.
    So, eh, it's a give and take.
    My pup willl be getting spayed the day after her first heat :)
     
  9. Jazzy

    Jazzy GRCH Dog

    Ear cropping is purely a cosmetic procedure; while castration serves an on-going medical purpose - preventing pregnancy.

    Sort of like why most insurance companies will pay for a vasectomy (seen as serving a necesary purpose), but will not pay for a nose job (purpose is strictly to alter looks and appear more physically appealing).

    That said ; I don't really have a huge problem with ear cropping provided it is done by a veterinarian and treated like a medical procedure (meaning done to insure that the dog has no/minimal pain during and after - just like I would expect would be the case if I went in to have any type of procedure done.)
     
  10. Jim

    Jim Good Dog

    I don't have a problem with either but you can avoid pregnancies by keeping dogs separated. It is just owners choose to castrate their dog to make their life easier as it is what they want.
     
  11. ganja

    ganja Good Dog

    exactly!

    IMO it is also only done for the owner and not necessarily for the dogs themselves.
    yeah... for health, but really, I don't think *most* do it for the dogs health but more because they don't want to deal with certain negative aspects of unfixed dogs such as males that tend to escape and roam the neighborhood, females having blood loss, keeping the dogs separated etc etc (at least, that's how it's around here for most people)


    ---------- Post added at 11:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:15 PM ----------

    and when talking of my own country, seeing as how most showdogs are so f'ed up, I wonder how someone could call ear cropping a cruel thing to do and actually pass laws to make it illegal and be a disqualification in the showring lmao...
     
  12. simms

    simms Good Dog

    most ppl are not responsible enough to keep thier pets out of trouble as it is. If you need an example just look in the dog discussion section. You can find post after post. First and foremost any pet household should spay and nueter always!
     
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  13. Jrm1985Ohio

    Jrm1985Ohio Good Dog

    It isn't so much I worry about controlling my dog... I worry about other people controlling their dogs.
     
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  14. ad_shannon

    ad_shannon Good Dog

    Everyone was a first time dog owner at one point who has made mistakes. Cropping your dogs ears serve NO medical purpose. Neutering a dog has MANY benefits. The only 100% effective way to stop unwanted breeding's and reduce the overall kill rate at shelters is to neuter dogs. Keeping them separated will work as effectively as a condom. 99% of the time it works but there is always that 1% chance.
     
  15. 4PawsK9Svcs

    4PawsK9Svcs Good Dog

    Castrating a dog that is not to be used for breeding is healthier for that dog. How would you like to NEVER be able to use your boy bits EVER, yet still be painfully aware of them every time you go out and catch a whiff of a lady's "fragrance"?:lol:
    Seriously, though, it's healthier to castrate a male dog that will not be used for breeding.
     
  16. Prophecy

    Prophecy Good Dog

    amen !!!
     
  17. raiderncpit

    raiderncpit Little Dog

    I watch my dog well and he is always in the house or on a leash, there is no way for him to get to a female. I think he deserves to keep his boys. I know with humans they serve more of a purpose than just mating so I'll just leave him the way he was born.
     
  18. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    If every dog not in a reputable breeding program was neutered- 'pit bulls' would no longer take up more than half of the shelter population, BYBs would no longer exist, stray dog attacks would diminish to almost nothing, the number of all dog bites would go down (since the number of all dogs would go down), the health of every breed would increase due to only breeding to breed/working standard, diseases such as rabies/distemper/parvo would decrease dramatically, etc etc etc.
    Of course, that's in a perfect world.....
    I can't see any reason why neutering would be considered cruel. I think, seeing as the general public cannot handle an unneutered dog, the real cruelty is allowing society to be overrun with unwanted, poorly bred, poorly tempered, disease ridden dogs.
     
  19. Jrm1985Ohio

    Jrm1985Ohio Good Dog


    Amen!
     
  20. Mollie's Nana

    Mollie's Nana Krypto Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Yes, it is medically necessary to prevent unwanted or oops litters, and to prevent male dogs from digging out to get to a female in heat, risking getting hit by a car, or possibly shot by said female in heat's owner. Having a dog spayed/neutered prevents the on set of some cancers, and prevents unwanted litters that the owners can't give away because everyone they know has a dog or two, and doesn't want another one.... so instead of being responsible and keeping all the pups, they dump them at a shelter, or worse, take them to the country and dump them, thinking that us good hearted country people will take them in. The sad truth is, most of the time, we either nearly wreck our cars trying to avoid hitting them, or well up with tears when we see them lying in the middle of the street dead from being hit by another car before us. :(
     
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