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Cane Corso

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by gatehrdy, Sep 14, 2007.

  1. gatehrdy

    gatehrdy Puppy

    Anyone in here have a Cane Corso? I heard somewhere that the Corso mixed with a pit bull makes the Cannary Island terrier which I think is illeagal to have in the U.S.A. Not to sure about how true this is. If someone knows, please-help a brotha out and shoot me some info. Thanks.
     
  2. maryellen

    maryellen Good Dog

  3. gatehrdy

    gatehrdy Puppy

    Not the issue

    My question is about the Canary Island Terrier, and their genetic history. I did a bit of research and found that this breed is comprised of some bull dogs from england. I had heard that the Cane Corso and the Pit Bull bread together make the Canary Island Terrier. Does anyone know if this information is acurrate?
     
  4. maryellen

    maryellen Good Dog

    i googled Canary island terrier and this is what i got..

    http://www.europuppyusa.com/puppy-dog_breed_choosing/canary_dog_puppies.html

    The Canary Dog ancestry probably includes the now extinct naive and indigenous Bardino Majero, crossed with imported English Mastiffs. It was developed in the Canary Islands in the 1800's specifically for dog fighting. At one time dog fighting was a common and popular entertainment in most European countries, and breeds were developed specially for their tenacity and endurance. In some countries, such as Ireland, fights were staged in open fields, but more often, as was the case in the Canary Islands, fighting took place in rings or pits. With the outlawing of dog-fighting on the island and the introduction of foreign dogs such as the German Shepherd Dog, by the 1960s the breed was nearly extinct. It was revived by the American veterinarian Dr. Carl Semencic.

    The Canary Dog requires a very dominant, experienced owner who understands the alpha nature in canines. The Canary Dog must know that his master is in control of him. No member of the family can be uncomfortable around the dog. Canaries make outstanding guard dogs. Their appearance is a deterrent not to mention their ability to confront any intruder. In the wrong hands this dog can be dangerous, but with the right owner it can make a nice, devoted companion. This is not a breed for first time dog owners. It is a very aggressive natured dog.

    Other names:
    http://www.warsneyk9.com/PresaCanario.html, Dogo Canario

    and if you search Dogo Canario
    http://www.warsneyk9.com/PresaCanario.html

    Thanks to the efforts of dedicated breeders and enthusiasts in the 1970's, the Presa Canario was
    re-created by gathering the surviving Canary Island Bulldogges, most of which were fighting
    crosses and not pure Presas at all, and crossing them with the Alano Espanol, American
    Staffordshire Terrier, German Boxer, English Bullterrier, Neapolitan Mastiff, American Pit Bull
    Terrier, Fila Brasileiro, Bardino Majorero, Bullmastiff and other breeds and crossdogs. Over the
    next 20 years, the breed type was established and the Perro de Presa Canario is presently a
    popular breed worldwide, both as a fighting dog and property guardian. However, some fanciers
    feel that the re-creation process was rushed, resulting in a range of appearances and personalities
    within the breed, including examples with erect ears, odd colourings and unstable temperaments.
    While the revival efforts could be seen as a success overall, it should be noted that the
    present-day Presa Canario is quite a bit larger and heavier than the original dogs which inspired
    the reconstruction programme. For better or worse, the modern Dogo Canario has been
    standardized for shows, which calls for it to be bred true to written type, but there are still many
    American and European breeders that regularly cross their Presas with Pit Bulls, Cane Corsos
    and various Bandogges. Disputes between fanciers and registries over what the correct Canario
    type is are very common, resulting in various splits within the breed clubs and the rise of
    breeders worldwide breeding these bandogges based on their own personal preferences and
    conformation ideals. Even in the Canary Islands, there are a few types to be found within the
    Presa Canario population and harsh disagreements between native breeders are quite common.
    In their desire to promote the breed, some enthusiasts often overlook the breed's true history
    and its fighting past, while focusing on the physical beauty and good guarding abilities only,
    creating some confusion and controversy. Some fanciers even go as far as making a distinction
    between the Perro de Presa Canario and the Dogo Canario, claiming that the latter is a separate
    breed created for Shows, unlike the working dogs still encountered on the islands.

    Due to its legendary devotion to its owner, as well as affectionate nature towards children, the
    Perro de Presa Canario generally makes a lovely family pet and urban companion. However,
    because of its severe dog-aggression and great territorial instincts, it requires early socialization
    and experienced handling. This is a very muscular and powerful bulldogge, posessing a strong
    prey-drive and tenacity. The body is well-boned and massive, but lean enough to give the Presa
    its impressive agility and speed. This wide-chested and broad-shouldered Molosser has a large
    head with a powerful muzzle, defined stop and well-developed jaws. The ears are usually
    cropped, but unaltered specimens can be seen as well. The short coat comes in various solid
    colours, including brindle and some with white markings. Average height is around 24 inches,
    although taller examples exist.

    Written By: Wolf @ MolosserDogs.com

    Click here for FCI Standard ( Dogo Canario )

    Click here for UKC Standard ( Perro de Presa Canario )

    We highly recommend obedience training for total control and it should be done by an expert on
    this breed. Any particular question on Presa Canario / Dogo Canario feel free to contact us.
     
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2007
  5. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

    If you cross a breed with another breed it does NOT make it a breed unto itself. It takes generations to become an actual "breed". So if you crossed a Corso with an APBT, you'd have a mixed breed.
     
  6. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

    I keep finding conflicting information on this. I've read on several sites that it's the same thing as a Pressa Canario, just a different name. Others say it's something different entirely. lol! Hard to follow the law when the people placing them into effect don't know what is and what isn't illegal, themselves =)
     
  7. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    I agree.

    gatehrdy, you are wrong in your assumption. Whomever told you that statement is uneducated on the issue.

    Presa Canarios are a completely different breed than the Cane Corso.

    I'm very familiar with Cane Corsos as I have a friend who owns them and works them. I also owned a Shar Pei/Cane Corso mutt for 5 years and during that time is when I put in a lot of time researching the breed.

    EDIT: Check out www.moloss.com for some great information on the molosser breeds!
    So ask your questions and I'll do my best to help you out.
     
  8. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Someone alse please correct me if i am wrong, but aren't the only "illegal" dogs in the U.S. (and only in a few states at that) wolf hybrids?
     
  9. maryellen

    maryellen Good Dog

    i am pretty sure you are correct buddysmom, wolf hybrids are illegal, but some states you can have them if you have a permit
     
  10. gatehrdy

    gatehrdy Puppy

    Thank You

    I really appreciate the quick response of good info on my thread. The info I had was from an unreliable source, so Im glad I checked. I also have a Cane Corso who is one of the finest freinds that one could ask for. His name is Gate. Someone just wanted me to breed him with some pits I think. Ok, gotta go now. Ill post again soon. Great forum by the way.
     
  11. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

    That's a whole other can of worms. Breeding your dogs because someone thinks you should, or because you have friends who want one, or because you want your children to see the miracle of birth, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, are BAD reasons to breed. It only serves to contribute to the over population problem AND compromises the integrity of the breed, what ever breed it happens to be.
    Please take a look around and read some of the threads on breeding. You'll find some very good information and sensible reasons why it's best to spay and neuter your pets, including the life long health of your dog, curbing behavioral problems, as well as the reasons listed above. =)
     
  12. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    I applaud your questioning and taking the first step to research ... instead of listening to people who are either badly misinformed and/or have iffy motives. Good for you!
     
  13. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    One of my favorite Corso's EVER.... Trajan
    [​IMG]
     
  14. gatehrdy

    gatehrdy Puppy

    Nice

    This is Gate.

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    I like his ears. Gate is one fantastic freind. The breed descriptions in the research that we have done-realllly fits the bill. He is very loyal. We treat him as he should be treated, as a family member. The lady who gave Gate to us interviewed me for an hour while we walked around. He is a blessing-thats for sure. I wouldn't mind finding another Cane Corso to breed him with. I do want to do it right though, so I will keep on researching. Thanks all. Btw, nice action pic.
     
  15. gatehrdy

    gatehrdy Puppy

    Nice puppies
     
  16. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    Another thought is that you're not going to cross two mastiff breeds and get a terrier. Just my very small two cents. ;-)
     
  17. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    You can have them in some areas without a permit. When I was in school in Colorado we visited the Colorado Wolf and Wildlife rescue. And in Colorado I know you can have them wihtout a permit in most counties.

    My friend has a Presa Canario yard and I LOVE his dogs. But they are not for just your average dog owner. As well as Cane Corsos. We have a few that come into work and they are well behaved but that owner put alot of work in his with training.

    Either way good luck with your dog. He sure is a cutie.
     
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2007
  18. gatehrdy

    gatehrdy Puppy

    Walking

    Thankya,

    Gate and I have spent alot of time traveling by foot all over northern and southern California. When I first started training him, it was always when we were walking. He is such a smart one. He pickes up trianing really fast. I do however, need to further his training because he is getting to a more mature stage thereby making him even more protective and dangerous to people who might "play around". Gate was a rescue-I guess thats what one might call it. I got him when he was still fairly young. I started training him right away. He is a great student. Walking and traing seems to work well. I guess it's the pack mentality thing. Walking together as a pack, he is more apt. to listen and learn. He sure is a smart one. He learns really fast. All in all,people(responsablly) used to tell me the same thing, "that breed isn't a first time owner, type of dog, be carfull" A. Not my first dog. B He is treated with respect and love. C. These qualities will make a freind out of most any K-9. My veteran doctor wrote me a perscription for him because I have severe ptsd and don't like being in large crowds-plus a few other quirks. Gate takes care of that naturally. He instinctivly stays between others and myself. He is a certified California Assistance Dog. Well, thats enough history on me and Gate for now. Thanks everyone.
     
  19. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

    He sounds wonderful. Nothing like a dog who needs you and who you need.
    Unfortunately, they are starting to be targets for BSL, joining the ranks of "dangerous dogs". I'm so glad he's a service dog and you guys will be able to help put the truth on bully breeds out there! :D
     
  20. gatehrdy

    gatehrdy Puppy

    Unfortunate

    Galadriel,

    Yes, it is unfortunate that any type of dog class be deemed bad. It's, as you already understand, the uneducated folks who bring out such issues as "oh my, thats a pit bull. I heard those are naturally mean dogs" These dogs have the ability to be aggressive when they are threatened in some way, but so does any other animal. It is the human influence which teaches them to be aggressive when not threatened. I guess people find it naturally easier to point the finger at something other than what they are-human beings. What a shame. One time Gate and I were walking around in downtown San Fransico. We were on the sidewalk just moving along minding our own buisness. Now you have to imaginge the sidewalkes of San Fran to get this picture. A river of pedestrians on comming-flowing right around us. they all parted like we were somekind of small island or something. It's kinda funny when I think back on it, but it's sad though, because Gate is really a gental giant. He wouldn't go out of his way to bother anyone or anything. At the same time, he is fully capable of doing what his breed was intended for-protection! After saying "he's freindly" about 200 times to passerby's, I just decided to leave them to their ignorance and kept to our journey. I suppose one of the reasons that I too am starting a forum which icludes a dog section, is to benifit the people who just don't understand. What I do suggest to people is this. If you have any type of dog, and you have any type of disibility, get your dog certified as a companion service dog. It's free. Deppression, blindness, fear of crowds, whatever. If your K9 keeps you from being depressed, a perscription can be obtained through a doctor. After the perscription is gotten, proceed to the nearest sherrifs animal control center and let them know what your there for. You will need current medical records of your four legged freind, ei. rabbies vac., so and on. but after that they register the info-give you a tag for the pup declaring certification, and wala. I took Gate into a casino one time with me to play poker. No prob. It's much safer for Gate. I don't have to leave him outside to be harrased or stolen by unkind elements. Wooo We-I just kept on ramblin. Sorry. Have a good un til next time.
     

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