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Can you get a Blue Pit that is 100% APBT?

milew66623

Big Dog
Maybe this should be moved. but here is what you requested.



When you add oother breeds (mastiffs) and then keep them registered as APBT's thats paper hanging.
Im pretty sure an APBt breeder crossed a mastiff into the mix way before ambullies were around(whopper).

And where did he say mastiffs? He said different breeds right? Amstaff, and APBT are different breeds! That was my point.

And there were plenty....plenty of gamedogs that weights 75-80lbs +. Plenty. I am not disputing the fact that many breeders (if thats what you wanna calle'm) today are throwing others shit into the mix, and some admit it, but I am stating that is not how it started, you are acting like whne someone says Amstaff and APBT are crossed its not mixing breeds.....it is.
 
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woody d

Big Dog
Im pretty sure an APBt breeder crossed a mastiff into the mix way before ambullies were around(whopper).

And where did he say mastiffs? He said different breeds right? Amstaff, and APBT are different breeds! That was my point.

And there were plenty....plenty of gamedogs that weights 75-80lbs +. Plenty. I am not disputing the fact that many breeders (if thats what you wanna calle'm) today are throwing others shit into the mix, and some admit it, but I am stating that is not how it started, you are acting like whne someone says Amstaff and APBT are crossed its not mixing breeds.....it is.
I am by no means an expert in the whole Am Bully scene, but game breds are my thing... and it is a rarity to find a true gamebred style dog that are 75-80 lb at pitweight past or present. i have a few that come to mind, but thats about it....less than 10. Comparing the large ones to the more traditional size of a gamebred APBT the percentage of large ones would be less that 10%, and more like 5%. JMO woody d
 

milew66623

Big Dog
I am by no means an expert in the whole Am Bully scene, but game breds are my thing... and it is a rarity to find a true gamebred style dog that are 75-80 lb at pitweight past or present. i have a few that come to mind, but thats about it....less than 10. Comparing the large ones to the more traditional size of a gamebred APBT the percentage of large ones would be less that 10%, and more like 5%. JMO woody d
Sure, there are more than a few old pit dogs that were in the 75lb range, but amstaffs are easier to find in that weight range without a doubt, and there is much more amstaff blood in the mix of ambullies than game bred dogs, at least from what I have sceen there is.

Even though I have ambullies, I am not into the scene at all either.
 

Boss

Little Dog
Purple ribon means 7 dogs behind it were registered with the UKC for 7 generations or something like that. UKC typically is Amstaffs, a lot of people have american bullies registered with adba as APBT, doesn't mean it's so. It depends on what bloodlines the dog is from. Post the ped.

how do i post it? Can you find it online?

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Parents Info:

Sire is 'PR' Nanthavong's Magnum A226,899

Dam is 'PR' Nanthavong's Cali A252,029

Not sure if that helps.
 

PitPop82

Big Dog
Im not knocking American Bullies. People need to understand the difference between an American Bully and APBT though. I think American Bully owners and breeders need to realize they are not APBT's and stop advertising them as such. Its clear they are mixed breeds and thats fine I just dont understand why people deny it and are just not proud of their breed.

Very nice post Miakoda I completly agree.


I agree with what youre saying, but there is a tendency within this community to generalize when it comes to AmBullies. I would say most AmBully owners on this site understand the difference, and as a group make a concerted effort to make sure new members do too.

That being said, the AmBully community has a looooong way to go before we can enjoy any type of real credibilty within the dog owning world. A good place to start is by educating, and people are not inclined to listen when someon is talking down to them. Believe me I know that as far as breeders are concerned the AmBully world is in deep shit. I cant for the life of me understand how the point of breeding a particular bloodline i.e. either preserving it or bettering it through time, is completely lost on these people. What most of these BYBs tout as prime examples of their choice lines dont resemble their namesakes in THE LEAST. It all goes back to education. However, you better believe that if any breeder comes on this forum to either peddle their pups, or to try and defend their questionable practices, I will promptly lay into their ass.
 

DieselDawg

Good Dog
and it is a rarity to find a true gamebred style dog that are 75-80 lb at pitweight past or present. i have a few that come to mind, but thats about it....less than 10. Comparing the large ones to the more traditional size of a gamebred APBT the percentage of large ones would be less that 10%, and more like 5%. JMO woody d

and that is the way it should be...a bell curve...there will be some 25# dogs and some 75# dogs but the majority will be 35#-65# dogs
 

ColbyDogs

Big Dog
Blue dogs can be legit, the question is who and where did the dog in question come from, that will tell the real story and answer the question for you. A true born blue is far and inbetween, its not a common thing nor did any real legit dogmen intentionally breed on specific colored dogs but rather on the dogs individual performance. Anytime you see and advertisement of "blue breedings" you should run far away, the odds are that the person doing the breeding did it for color and not for desired traits nor did they do it on performance proven basis.

As for the breeding practice of the Ambully goes I personally do not know what they are mixed with or even if any are mixed at all however even if they are not mixed they have gotten so far out of standard that they no longer can conform nor perform as the breed they are being passed off as. The AST is a prime example, even tho no other breed was used in its creation the dog after 70+ years of being selectively bred to a different standard has morfed into thier own breed. The AmBully is no different so why should they be considered APBT when the AST who more closesly resembles the APBT than the Ambully does is not ? When you breed to a larger size and breed out any real performing atributes how can that dog be classified as the original breed when the dog no longer can conform or perform as such ? The dog has simply morfed into its own new breed. People who favor this new style of dog should embrace it and accept it, after all its what they wanted by getting a dog that no longer resembles the original breed to which it stemmd from.
 

CBRSALT

Puppy
My APBT pup is grey. Like a charcoal grey. Many people call him a blue but he is grey. He came out of two reds and all his brothers and sisters out of the same litter were mostly reds, a couple fawns, and one black with white markings. When i discuss my dog with others i always explain his color as being grey. One, because he is grey. Two, (IMO) with 90%+ "blue pits" out there are mixed with amstaffs or are amstaffs, i dont want my APBT being confused with them. But thats just me.
 

CBRSALT

Puppy
It kills me to see that if you search "real pitbulls" it pulls up breeders who advertise "XXL pitbulls" and even "XXXL pitbulls". Apbt are not 90-130lb dogs. And the dogs that are that size will have no kinda stamina for having to toat that "load" everywhere. Colbydogs hit the nail on the head. But when it comes to dogs, bigger is not better.
 

Blaze N' Pits

Good Dog
When it comes to the controversy of APBT vs AmStaff vs AmBully.... it is because the registries themselves have allowed way too much to slide by, way too much paper hanging, way too many dogs that aren't standard being titled and bred, etc. The registries themselves have not explained anything so everyone has their own opinion.
There are no records of what bloodlines are considered pure APBT and what ones aren't when one registry (UKC, ADBA, etc) will register them all as APBT (except AKC)..... this makes it sooo confusing for new enthusiasts to learn anything.

Aside from the registries making everything confusing.... there are the 'pitbull' enthusiasts that make it confusing.
Some think that APBTs and AmStaffs are different because AmStaffs have been bred away from the APBT for so many years that they no longer share the same traits and therefore AmStaffs have become a different breed although they haven't been mixed with any other breed. But if AmStaffs started out as APBTs, at what point in time in AmStaff lineage did they become different from the APBT?
Others disagree and say they are both APBTs just different types. APBTs are for work and AmStaffs are for show because no other blood has been mixed in to proove otherwise. Kinda like Gordon Setters, they have the field dog and the show dog.... the field dog is leaner and more agile for hunting, and the show dog is larger and flashier... but still considered the same breed.
Then their are the diff. types of AmBully. Some are mix bred and are in diff. categories. The standard AmBully is apparantly an APBT X AmStaff mix. Where are the lines drawn that turns this type of breeding into an AmBully if it's not all based on looks? What AmStaff bloodlines mixed with what APBT lines causes an AmBully? How many generations of this type of breeding to cause an AmBully?
The reason I ask this is because the 50-55lb male in my profile pic has some UKC/AKC dogs in his lineage. He can run all day, can climb trees, hop 6ft tall fences, and will play on his springpole til' he passes out if you let him, etc. He is tall, lean and keeps himself in shape without us pushing him to do so. He is far from AmBully in my eyes and will never be claimed to be one just because he has some UKC/AKC in him.
 

Sagebrush

Good Dog
Really, the easiest way out of this is to totally ignore anything called "am bullies". They are immaterial in any history of APBTs, ASTs, SBTs, BTs.

They are a total exploitation of a breed, desperately hanging on to the "pit bull" term and inventing a rather romantic history claiming they have been a carefully developed "breed" or "version" of the APBT.

This labeling an AST/APBT pedigree an "am bully" is ridiculous and confusing. Revisionist history is rampant because of the "bullies".

"bullies" are just the poorer examples of Am Stafs and Pit Bulls who have been bred on to further emphasize features that are considered to be really cool by the "bully" crowd.

Honestly, people that take the "bullies" seriously at all have a hard time learning the history of the APBT and they never quite get it because it is so darn confusing to fit the "bullies" in.

One misses NOTHING and is much more educated if they ignore the "bully" thing and recognize them as just poor examples of a breed that some think are really cool.

Don't try to fit them into any history or discussion of the APBT/AST; but it IS hard as there are registering bodies and legitimate message boards that now recognize them, but that doesn't affect my thinking at all. The registries/message boards that have anything to do with them are really missing the boat and making things worse for the APBT and AST.

Carla

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Bully: This, That The Other Thing - American Bullies and 'bully style' Pit Bulls

Just found this on another thread. All you need to know, really.

Make this a sticky -- All You Need to Know About "bullies"" and refer any "bully" question or effort at discussion to it.

Carla
 

Blaze N' Pits

Good Dog
Really, the easiest way out of this is to totally ignore anything called "am bullies". They are immaterial in any history of APBTs, ASTs, SBTs, BTs.

They are a total exploitation of a breed, desperately hanging on to the "pit bull" term and inventing a rather romantic history claiming they have been a carefully developed "breed" or "version" of the APBT.

This labeling an AST/APBT pedigree an "am bully" is ridiculous and confusing. Revisionist history is rampant because of the "bullies".

"bullies" are just the poorer examples of Am Stafs and Pit Bulls who have been bred on to further emphasize features that are considered to be really cool by the "bully" crowd.

Honestly, people that take the "bullies" seriously at all have a hard time learning the history of the APBT and they never quite get it because it is so darn confusing to fit the "bullies" in.

One misses NOTHING and is much more educated if they ignore the "bully" thing and recognize them as just poor examples of a breed that some think are really cool.

Don't try to fit them into any history or discussion of the APBT/AST; but it IS hard as there are registering bodies and legitimate message boards that now recognize them, but that doesn't affect my thinking at all. The registries/message boards that have anything to do with them are really missing the boat and making things worse for the APBT and AST.

Carla

I agree, AmBullies are not a breed.... they are either other breeds mixed together or a non standard form of a breed with certain traits overly exagerated.
From what I've read about how new breeds are formed.... AmBullies do not fit the description. I read that breeders were trying to make Labradoodles its own breed but were rejected because after numerous generations of breeding Labs to Poodles, they could not achieve a repeating look.... some pups would look like Labs, some more like poodles, some in between but none the same. AmBullies do not produce to have one certain look... but many like the Labradoodles.
And AmBullies have a very hard to describe history as there are so many different catagories for the AmBully in the first place...

The only reason I brought up the APBT X AST being an AmBully is because apparently that is what a 'standard' AmBully is considered and it frustrates me and confuses others. Our male is NOT an AmBully just because he has both in his lineage thanx to the UKC allowing in AKC ASTs in UKC APBT breedings and confusing this subject for everyone.

Every dog deserves to be loved... I don't have AmBullies for what people have made them. I just hate the confusion involved.

As for the original posters question, yes some there is such thing as a blue/gray pure APBT.... the color is a dilution of black. But because APBT owners do not breed and sell pups for color it is harder to find a pure APBT that is blue. There are a lot of AmBully breeders (not all) that breed for color so blue shows up more often.
 

The Diesel

Big Dog
Threads like this make me wish i knew how my dog was bred. Hes blue brindle, weighs 43ish lbs. when conditioned and is a live wire. Nothin like an am bully.
 

TrueDog

Banned
FOR GOD'S SAKE!!


Blue is JUST A COLOR at that it is DILUTED BLACK.


Does anyone know how to search for something that has been posted over 9000 times?