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Bull Terriers. What to consider before Purchasing one...

Discussion in 'Bull Terrier' started by CoolHandJean, Aug 25, 2008.

  1. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    English Bull Terriers
    Miniature Bull Terriers
    What's good about 'em
    What's bad about 'em
    If you want a dog who...



    • [*]Is moderately sized with a muscular build
      [*]Looks very unusual, with an egg-shaped head, large prick ears, and tiny triangular eyes sunk deeply in his head
      [*]Has a short easy-care coat
      [*]Is rowdy and clownish, full of energy and fire
      [*]Thrives on lots of exercise and vigorous athletic games
      [*]Looks imposing, so makes an effective deterrent, but is usually non-aggressive with strangers
    An English Bull Terrier or Miniature Bull Terrier may be right for you.


    If you don't want to deal with...




    • [*]Vigorous exercise requirements
      [*]Rowdiness, exuberant jumping, and a tendency to play rough
      [*]Destructiveness when bored or left alone too much
      [*]Aggression or fearfulness toward people in some lines, or when not socialized enough
      [*]Aggression toward other animals
      [*]Strong-willed mind of his own, requiring a confident owner who can take charge
      [*]Shedding
      [*]Serious health problems
      [*]Legal liabilities (public perception, future breed bans, insurance problems, increased chance of lawsuits)
    An English Bull Terrier or Miniature Bull Terrier may not be right for you.


    If I were considering a Bull Terrier...

    My major concerns would be:



    1. [*]Providing enough exercise and mental stimulation. Bull Terriers, whether Standard or Miniature, are very active dogs who MUST have regular opportunities to vent their high energy and to use their busy minds to do interesting things. Otherwise they will become rambunctious and bored -- which they usually express by destructive chewing. Bored Bull Terriers are famous for chewing through drywall, ripping the stuffing out of sofas, and turning your yard into a moonscape of giant craters.
      If you simply want a pet for your family, and don't have the time or inclination to take your dog running or hiking or biking or swimming, or to get involved in weight-pulling, or agility (obstacle course), or advanced obedience, or tracking, or a similar canine activity, I do not recommend these breeds.
      [*]Bounciness. Young Bull Terriers (up to about three years old) can be bulls in a china shop. When they romp and jump, they do so with great vigor, and things can go flying, including people.
      If you have small children, or if you or anyone who lives with you is elderly or infirm, I do not recommend Bull Terrier puppies, especially the Standard size. The temptation to play roughly is simply too strong in many young Bull Terriers.
      [*]Providing enough socialization. Many Bull Terriers love everyone, but some have protective instincts toward strangers. All Bull Terriers need extensive exposure to friendly people so they learn to recognize the normal behaviors of "good guys." Then they can recognize the difference when someone acts abnormally. Without careful socialization, they may be suspicious of everyone, which could lead to biting. Some Bull Terriers go in the opposite direction -- without enough socialization, they become fearful of strangers, which can lead to defensive biting.
      [*]Animal aggression. Many Bull Terriers, especially the Standard size, will not tolerate another dog of the same sex. Some won't tolerate the opposite sex, either. Many Bull Terriers, both Standard and Miniature, have strong instincts to chase and seize cats and other fleeing creatures. If anything goes wrong in the breeding, socializing, training, handling, or management of these breeds, they are capable of seriously injuring or killing other animals.
      [*]The strong temperament. Bull Terriers are not Golden Retrievers. They have an independent mind of their own and are not pushovers to raise and train. They can be manipulative, and many are willful, obstinate, and dominant (they want to be the boss) and will make you prove that you can make them do things. You must show them, through absolute consistency, that you mean what you say.
      To teach your Bull Terrier to listen to you, "Respect Training" is mandatory. My Bull Terrier Training Page discusses the program you need.
      [*]Shedding. Bull Terriers shed much more than you might think. Their short, coarse hairs come off on your hands when you pet them, and stick tenaciously to your carpeting, upholstery, and clothing. In addition, people with sensitive skin may react adversely to the "pokes" of the harsh hairs.
      [*]Serious health problems. From heart disease to kidney disease to eye disease to deafness, Bull Terriers are risky in the health department.
      To keep this breed healthy, I strongly recommend following all of the advice on my Bull Terrier Health Page.
      [*]Legal liabilities. Bull Terriers are NOT Pit Bull Terriers, but they are often lumped together by public officials and the media as potentially dangerous dogs. Bull Terriers may be targeted for future "banning" in certain areas, or refusal of homeowner insurance policies. In this day and age, the legal liabilities of owning any breed that looks intimidating and has a fighting heritage should be seriously considered. People are quicker to sue if such a dog does anything even remotely questionable.
      Frankly, most Bull Terriers, both Standard and Miniature, are "too much dog" for the average household. Very few people really have the knowledge or skills necessary to manage these fiery, high-energy breeds, or to provide the activities that keep them satisfied.


    Not all English Bull Terriers are alike!




    • [*]There are energetic Bullies, and placid Bullies.
      [*]Hard-headed Bullies, and sweet-natured Bullies.
      [*]Serious Bullies, and good-natured goofballs.
      [*]Introverted Bullies, and Bullies who love everyone.

    If you acquire a Bull Terrier puppy, you can't know for sure what he or she will grow up to be like. Because a good number of purebred puppies do NOT grow up to conform to the "norm."
    If you're considering an adult Bull Terrier...

    There are plenty of adult Bull Terriers who have already proven themselves NOT to have negative characteristics. If you find such an adult, don't let "typical breed negatives" worry you.
    When you acquire a puppy, you're acquiring potential -- what he one day will be. So "typical breed characteristics" are very important. But when you acquire an adult, you're acquiring what he already IS.


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  2. Dray

    Dray Bull Terrier Moderator

    As a Bull Terrier owner and breeder this is a very good and interesting thread. I personally do not agree with it's entirety but on the whole if you are thinking of getting a Bull Terrier for the first time then this is a must read.
    I have saved the health part to my favourites.
    Thanks for sharing this site.
     
  3. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    No problem. If you have something that needs to be added or correct, please do. I haven't owned a Bull Terrier, so, I just look for things. Someone who knows is always appreciated! :)
     
  4. jeoestreich

    jeoestreich GRCH Dog

    Great post CHJ!
     
  5. bettymonroe

    bettymonroe Puppy

    Some of the stuff can scare me away. I grew up with a dalmatian and he never had all the stuff the book said but some of the stuff is like hitting a nail on the head. I have book after book. and done alot of reading. And sometimes I get scared but when i talk to people that have them they love them......i dont know
     
  6. Dray

    Dray Bull Terrier Moderator

    Parden, do not understand, are you talking about Bull Terriers?
     
  7. bettymonroe

    bettymonroe Puppy

    yeah sorry i just read it again. it sounds all over the place. I just dot know if bull terriers are the dog for me. i do love them though
     
  8. Dray

    Dray Bull Terrier Moderator

    As long as you buy from a reputable breeder (such as ourselves). The temperaments would be exceptional and as long as you socialized them and trained them you should not have any trouble at all. You need to be very disiplined with a Bull Terrier pup as they do not stay little for ever. We only have ocassional litters but as you can see from our web site we have very good positive comments from our Draydur Bull Terrier Puppies new owners. We also have referances from two vets as to how we look after our dogs. This is what i would be looking for when purchasing any dog from anybody. If you follow these simple rules plus add any you require then you should be able to own a very special breed of dog, that is the Bull Terrier.
     
  9. SPARTAN177

    SPARTAN177 Little Dog

    i want one but my wife said thry are ugly:no2:
     
  10. Dray

    Dray Bull Terrier Moderator

    What!!!!

    :DShe does does she:lol:

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    Dray x
     
  11. Romulus

    Romulus Puppy

    Love the black bullie there Dray, very nice looking indeed
     
  12. Mollie's Nana

    Mollie's Nana Krypto Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator


    :eek: Shame on her! :nono:
     
  13. Dray

    Dray Bull Terrier Moderator

    The Mighty Bagheera

    That was Bagheera:sonn_u11:Draydur Black Mountain:sonn_u11:R.I.P.
    Here he is as at six months:D

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    And here just before he fell asleep forever XXXX

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    He was Awesome;)

    Thank you Romulus:sonn_u11:

    Dray x
     
  14. AmberABCg

    AmberABCg Puppy

    I have been a member of this forum and lurker for almost two years, and want to say hi to my friends and fellow bull terrier enthusiasts on this forum!

    I hope you don't mind, but I'm sending my list of suggestions for finding a good breeder in the states, and more importantly, a wonderful, healthy pet! I give this to anyone who comes to me for a puppy, and suggest that you ask these questions to every breeder you talk to (regarding results of specific health tests). I wrote this after losing my first bull terrier puppy at only 2.5 yrs of age to a neurological disease. I was shocked to learn that health tested dogs cost less than what most internet and newspaper ads sold pups for, without anything but a 'vet check and shots'. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help, offer advice, or share funny anecdotes with!

    Go to the Bull Terrier Club of America web site. (http://www.BTCA.com) Start visiting with people (and breeders) about bullies...All over the country! Talk to as many people as possible before making your decision. Find a breeder that you 'click' with and who you will feel comfortable calling for advice. (I tell people to find someone that they want to share a beer/coffee with.) Your breeder is going to be your lifeline with your new bully! Whether you have questions or just want to share funny anecdotes, they know the personality and health of their lines better than anyone.

    Learn about the different (personality) types of bull terriers. Talk to people to see if you need an active or sedentary bully; goofy, clever, or a perfect combination of both?! Ask if the parents of the pup have had an echocardiogram (heart), UPC (kidneys), and been BAER tested (hearing). Ask if your pup has been BAER tested. Ask to see the results. Find out how old the dogs in the line of your pup have lived to be...I often hear from people who are shocked that these tests are included at rates that are often lower than advertised by some breeders on internet puppy sites. Getting a pup is a big financial and EMOTIONAL investment!! =)

    Many good breeders will sell their animals with a co-ownership contract. Now, before you scream "I'm going to pay HOW MUCH and not completely own the dog", you are in control of your new pet!! I can't think of anyone ever showing up on a co-owners doorstep for a surprise visit!

    Co-ownership contracts are in place to protect you, the dog and the integrity of the breed. By co-owning a dog, your breeder is sure to be there when you need them, throughout the life of your dog. This is a binding contract that can protect you should you ever have any problems or concerns. A breeder may have a
    contract to ensure that if for some reason you are ever unable to care for your dog, the breeder has first chance to get the dog back. This keeps people from re-selling their dog on craigslist etc, and makes sure that the dog remains in a proper bull terrier home. It also helps to protect the animal from being bred at every opportunity and the pups from ending up in rescue. (There is usually a clause stating that the animal can't be bred without the permission of the co-owner, if the dog isn't spayed/neutered.) The only other points in a contract that you sign are that you will provide proper shelter, food, veterinary care, and lots of love!

    You may find that a pup is not conducive to your lifestyle. You might consider a retired show dog or a rescued bull terrier. Talk to breeders about retired show dogs, who are often trained youngsters. For more information on rescue, please find us at BTCA.com and link to rescue. Don't fret if there isn't a rescue shown in your state, as bullies come into rescue faster than we can get them on the web site. If you fill out an adoption application, someone will contact you when a dog may be available to fit your lifestyle. Rescue fees can be significantly less than a new pup and it is very rewarding to give a rescue a loving forever home!

    You are doing a great job doing your research and preparing! Check out the bull terrier clubs in your area and try to attend a meeting or event. (You can find them on the BTCA website.) This can seem grueling and frustrating, but it will be well worth it in the long run through the health, temperament, and vitality of your new addition.

    Keep us posted and best of luck!!

    Amber Gibson
    Member - Bull Terrier Club of America
    Member - Bull Terrier Club of Dallas
    Founding Board Member - Texas Gulf Coast Bull Terrier Club
    Secretary - Baytown Kennel Club
    Professional Member - Association of Pet Dog Trainers
    (Past) Vice President - Texas Animal Rescue & Placement Alliance
    Most Importantly...Tater, Tot, Heather, York, & Cosmo's Mom!!!!

    ---------- Post added at 11:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:02 PM ----------

    Another thing that I would caution, is that just because the pup is AKC/CKC/UKC registered, doesn't mean that those registries endorse nor inspect the breeding stock. It is just a service that a breeder pays for, same with DNA testing.

    Don't be fooled by breeders who use the term "rescue" or "adopt" to place dogs of their own breeding!!! As a responsible breeder, it is up to us to be prepared to provide for dogs we breed throughout their life.
     
  15. Bull terriers will test you. They will challenge you. Thet may even push you to see when you will snap.
    I got my male when he was a just over a year from a friend who was moving and had to get rid of him. Without a second of thought I was ill take him. He was good but dominant and is still not neutered. Was from a reputable breeder.
    When I first got him when someone went to pat him he would go for there hand to show if he wanted to it was his but would let them pet him with out any further aggression, he would also test you buy pinching you with his teeth on you arm it would leave about nickel size burse for a few days. I have still let him be dominant but only in a polite manner. No biting. He physically challenged me to the point where I was ready to have a full on fight with him. (He was staring at me from one end of living room I was staring at him from the other side saying come on lets see what you got. He did not come forward). After that he seen how far he could go with physical intimidation on me. (No ware.) Later he got cracked out on a kong his first toy at a year old. He would try to push me or company that was over to play with his toy. Most of it was he would keep hitting you with the toy to get your attention even if he had it. This is the only time he slobbers. He would get me so mad I would snap. To him it didn’t matter it was time to play with him toy and you better do it because he wasn’t going to stop. You could not even talk with out breaking your attention. He is good now with out company over. If company comes over his toys go away then he just wants attention.
    He has since learned my rules and now is great. My female got her as a pup she is good but has a short fuse. If a dog shows her aggression she is going for it in attack mode. Luckily she’s easier to handle. But my male will defend her or team up with her. But with both they push each other so when out there hard to control. When they halt “stop” if one moves the other sees it and tries to moves but just means I need to work with them. When he plays with other dogs its friendly but he will not play rough for a bull terrier (mostly head but to the chest a picks them up.) Hes has a great temper but is always supervised with other dogs. Other dogs have ran up to him and jumped on him. With their owners in horror. They are always leashed and they always should be. My female as soon as she became pregnant she has become mean, moody, she will start a fight over the closest spot to me on the bed. My male knew he was not allowed to hurt her so it looked like she was getting more dominant but over food he straightened he her up a little which I wanted him to do because I want him as number 2 her number 3 me number 1. . But I was there and broke it up. They are still good together. Depending on the bull terrier if gets in a fight the dogs have to be separated for life because when will try to kill each other after their fight.
    I would recommend bull terriers to anyone but if that person can’t train or handle a lab they will not be able to handle a bull terrier for sure. They maybe half the size up their personality is more that double. And watch for chewing my male ate ¼ of a leather chair. He ate a leather belt except for buckle. Ripped up sheets and chewed and about 5 pairs of jeans. Chewed both petals on a bike. My female had a thing for wires 2 surround sound wires and a tv cable cord plus losts of plastic things. But no leather chair or couch. They loved to work their jaws and the tear or shred. I bought to tough stuff toy rated for tigers it lasted 45 min before he had the squeaker out. Horse ball lasted 1 hour.
    Sorry if Im turning you off of bull terriers but I hope I did not.
     
  16. Debbie

    Debbie Good Dog

    :eek: Say it ain't so !!
    I think they're beautiful......of course, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :D
     
  17. Mollie's Nana

    Mollie's Nana Krypto Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    I love Bull Terriers! :doggyhug2: I love the Target dog :D
     
  18. Mrpedigree

    Mrpedigree Big Dog

    The most important thing if your gonna buy is to buy a fully health tested pup from health tested parents nothing more or nothing less ...when buying the pup i would ask to see up to date health certificates for both parents..if I couldn't see those certificates at that time i would walk away !

    The pup should have all its injections,be wormed , heart tested by vet,be baer tested for hearing with all the papper work to show this has been done !
    If the breeder your buying your pup from hasnt done any of these things then their just a BYB and you should just walk away !
    For what your paying its better to be safe then sorry and have peace of mind that your pups had everything possibly done to make sure its had the best possible start in its creation to start its life with you :cool:
     
  19. What to Look For From a Reputable Breeder

    Here’s a subject that will be answered differently by every breeder. For some breeders it’s a touchy subject especially if they’re not exactly breeding appropriately. For many breeders the things I plan on bringing up here will be very much disliked because too many breeders are breeding to make a profit without even reporting their income to good old Uncle Sam.

    (1) Every Breeder Should Offer the Following Items with the Sale of a Puppy:
    • AKC Registration Papers
    • AKC Four Generation Litter Pedigree
    • Health Guarantee
    • Sales Receipt
    • Puppy Information Package
    • Annotation of Puppy Food and schedule of feeding
    • Copy of the Shot Records for the puppies 1[SUP]st[/SUP] set of shots from an actual Veterinarian not Breeder.
    It is very important that puppies are tested for known genetic disorders within the breed. It’s obvious that not all of these tests can be conducted on a 6 – 8 week old puppy so it’s very important to know the overall health of the breeding sire and dam as well as the tests conducted to all the breeder’s adult dogs. Some of the more popular disorders associated with Bull Terriers are:
    • Deafness – A Baer Test is utilized for checking to see if there is any hearing impairment. Unfortunately many veterinarians do not offer this testing due to lack of testing equipment. Additionally other veterinarians will mandate the puppy to be at least 6 months old before attempting to get an accurate reading based on their growth and development.
    • Skin Allergies – Intradermal allergy tests is a specific test utilized to test dogs to see if they have any allergic reactions which cause skin problems and itching. This is an extensive test averaging 1 hour at which time the dog is sedated and receives 60 injections made into the skin. The price of this test is $250. It is not a recommendation to have this test conducted on puppies simply to provide verified proof that each puppy from the litter is free from skin disorders. However, it is a good idea to thoroughly look over both parents of the litter to ensure they show no signs of allergies or skin problems. Most skin allergies in Bull Terriers are caused from food and improper diet. My experience is that foods containing high volumes of grain can trigger allergies in some dogs. We have rescued a few Bull Terriers that had serious skin allergies that we learned were caused from the food they were eating. After putting these dogs on a no grain diet and supplementing their food with a couple squirts of salmon oil it cured their skin conditions within a few short weeks. Obviously this may not be the answer to all allergies and intradermal allergy testing may be warranted for some dogs where proper diet isn’t the cause.
    Some may suggest Serum-Based tests for allergy problems which is a simple blood test. However, this test does not require any expertise and has the disadvantage of resulting in false positives which can cause treatment for an allergy that doesn’t exist.
    • Kidney – A complete blood chemistry profile test including a blood count is the only way of accurately testing for kidney problems. The most common test for kidney disease is called Creatinine Test. Kidney disease is often a hereditary factor for kidney problems within Bull Terriers. A urinalysis test is another practice used for determining kidney problems. Similar to Allergy Testing, a proper and professional Kidney test is not a simple procedure. A common sign of kidney problems within a puppy is drinking excessive water as well as dehydration, vomiting, and diarrhea.
    • Liver – When conducting blood tests for genetic disorders it is important to test for Portosystemic Shunts to ensure there are no liver problems. There are a few types of shunts but Congenital Shunts can be found at birth. It is recommended that a bile acid test be run before and after eating to determine if liver shunt is detected.
    • Heart – During a puppies health check a veterinarian will let you know if they detect a heart problem. Heart mummers and weak heart rhythms will be indicators to a veterinarian that further tests are required for diagnosing heart disease. If a concern is apparent it is recommended to have an x-ray conducted. In the event abnormalities are found it will then be necessary to conduct a proBNP Test and/or EKG.
    The above listed ailments are the ones most prone to the Bull Terrier breed. The most important factor when health checking a litter of puppies is finding a veterinarian who is familiar with the Bull Terrier breed and thoroughly tests them for known disorders and medical ailments.


    (2) What to Look for from a Reputable Breeder:
    • A well organized and informative website that provides answers to most every question that a consumer looking to purchase a puppy would want to know.
    • Puppy Purchase Application. A good breeder will care deeply about their dogs and want to ensure their puppies are going to appropriate homes. Breeders usually have some type of application form to fill out prior to accepting a deposit.
    • Photos of their Kennel facilities. Don’t believe the breeders who tell you all their dogs stay inside their homes unless they authentically have only 3 or 4 dogs. Most breeders won’t post any pictures of their dogs living areas or kennels because they know many would consider them to be poor and provide the consumer with the “Backyard Breeder or Puppy Mill” image.
    • A reputable breeder will invite you to their kennel to show off their dogs and proudly display the health of dogs and their living conditions.
    • Plenty of Photos of their adults along with a description about them. Is there a good mix of colored Bull Terriers? Breeding too many white to white bullies can cause genetic disorders.
    • An actual four generation AKC pedigree for each dog. Don’t be fooled by breeders who build their own pedigrees. A scanned copy of the AKC 4 generation pedigree eliminates any doubts of inappropriate editing and false advertisement. Nothing beats the original document!
    • An actual AKC DNA Certificate for all Studs. Most people don’t realize the importance of conducting DNA tests on their breeding dogs. It’s one thing to claim the dog to be of the pedigree listed on his AKC papers and another to prove it.
    • Referrals - It’s always good to receive a referral from other people who have purchased a puppy from the breeder. Many breeders will include feedback from customers on their website.
    • A thorough explanation of their Health Guarantee should be depicted on their website.
    • A reputable breeder will provide rescue service for the type of dog they breed and devote towards placing those dogs in homes where they’ll be taken care of and loved.
    (3) Corrupt or Honest
    Here’s something that many people never even think about. Is the breeder selling puppies without accounting for the income? Is it bad thing if a breeder sells their puppies and doesn’t claim the income when tax time comes? I guess if the breeder rarely had a litter or if the cost of the puppies were relatively cheap it could be considered “under the table” income much like the kid selling lemonade in front of his house for 25 cents. However, it doesn’t take a genius to realize a breeders’ income from a litter of 8 puppies selling for $1500 per puppy. Let’s say that breeder only had two litters the entire year. That would equate to $24,000 which in all reality is about what some people make annually working full time. The truth is, any breeder charging money for a puppy should be claiming this and if they are, is it a business? Does the pet store charge tax on a puppy they sell and do they pay taxes on the sales of their pets? Actually many states do not require breeders to have a business license. However, claiming the income during tax time is a different story. Just because a breeder doesn’t have an actual business because the state doesn’t deem it necessary doesn’t mean they can pocket the sales of their puppies without having to pay taxes. However, MANY breeders do and still charge high prices on their puppies without any concern.

    Many breeders will shun the idea of having a “breeding business” and try their best to say anybody that has a breeding business is only trying to make money by breeding dogs without any care of breeding healthy quality puppies. In all actuality the opposite is true because if it was all about making the most money the way to do it would be to simply pocket the entire amount of money through the sale of every puppy, stud service, etc.

    Any way you slice it, if you’re selling puppies you have to be legal and pay Uncle Sam for your earnings regardless of how many litters you have a year.

    Here’s a funny note – Most breeders would be mad that I brought this subject up because they are opposed of the reality behind legally selling puppies and do not feel it should be considered a small business. However, they’ll be the first to give you their business card when they sell you a puppy. Odd how that works.
    If you want to test integrity and values ask the breeder if they are licensed and insured by the state to sell puppies and whether they are claiming the income earned from the advertised litter. I’ll bet you most will say they don’t have to do that if they’re a private breeder. Then again that private home breeder may very well be selling 9 champion puppies at $4000 for each puppy. Nothing wrong with pocketing $36,000 without paying taxes, right?


    *** Please note, these are my views and opinions. We know where we stand as breeders and pride ourselves on our breeding practices and honesty. The above information was not written as a tool to gain popularity for us. We actually don’t have very many litters available each year. However, we provide this information to you so you can use it in the pursuit to find a top quality Bull Terrier puppy from a reputable breeder. Please feel free to build yourself a questionnaire from the topics listed above and present it to any breeder you research in your pursuit for a Bull Terrier puppy. ***
     

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