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Bull terrier continues winning ways

Discussion in 'Bull Terrier' started by Vicki, Oct 31, 2009.

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  1. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    must admit i havent read this thread word for word so my apologies if i repeat something already mentioned.....

    but it strikes me as ironic how this dog " rufus "....is a show champion......but when took to task on the dogs obesity and swinging flabby chest......the dogs owner stated that this problem was due to an accident causing a physical problem......well thats a shame and all....BUT....is a dog show not about which dog is the BEST specimen :confused:.....how on earth can a dog with a physical defect win a dog show ????....
    i compete as a bodybuilder.......if my thigh muscle was severely under developed,or missing !!....i could not or would not win a contest,simple.....

    it only go,s to show how corrupt and pathetic the world of dog showing really is !....


    also,lets not dress it up in fancy costume....who cares what great work this dog does,it is still a very poor specimen and NOT the type of bull terrier i would want seen by the public as representative of the breed !!!
     
  2. Bullful

    Bullful Little Dog

    The dog is close to 80 years old in human years... lets see where your chest is then. I hear they have a medical procedure for those male breast problems now.

    Lets not go into bodybuilding...surgical implants and performance enhancing drugs, self esteem issues, roid rage, not your normal everyday examples of the general population either.
     
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  3. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    firstly....i suggest you get a little understanding of a subject before giving your opinions.....what actual experience do you have of competetive bodybuilding....apart from what you have read in the media that is....

    no implants here,no roid rage here,no self esteem issues here.......


    dont bounce the question back at me i think its a perfectly logical question to ask how a poor physical specimen could possibly win a dog show......do you not ?

    and whats the dogs age got to do with anything ? age is not an excuse to become obese !!!.....my old 13 year old would run 3 miles every morning with me and barely had an ounce of fat on him......or wait,i guess i was cruel for keeping him in shape :rolleyes:


    i say again.....how can a deformed dog possibly win a dog show ?....unless the dog show is totally corrupt ?
     
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  4. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    or have a dog so over weight that it can not complete any serious physical activity-let alone anything even close to what the breed was originated for. How is that the 'breed standard.' Do I stand a chance to change it? No, absolutely not, I have no hope to go against the KC club and change it. There are far more people doing the show thing than there are with bull terriers that are athletic. Thats the sad truth. If someone wants a low energy over weight dog, thats fine, but to call it the breed standard and completly turn away from anything else....is well, IMO wrong, espechially if thats not the way the dogs were originated for.
     
  5. Teal

    Teal Krypto Super Dog Premium Member



    Can you post pictures of Rufus in his younger years then please?

    So far, you're accounting the major issues of his weight to an injury and age... so I would assume then that there was a dramatic difference when he was younger and pre-injury?

    mr. clueless - YES, dogs shows ARE totally corrupt!
     
  6. Bullful

    Bullful Little Dog

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    Photos from '04 (4-1/2 yrs) & '05(5-1/2 yrs) & 13 months
     
  7. Teal

    Teal Krypto Super Dog Premium Member

    Each of those photos shows a large, puffy chest and a chubby dog.

    Really, if he was at a decent weight he would be a VERY good looking dog - he has nice rear angulation and a solid front... it's just all hidden under excess weight :(
     
  8. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    a million times better in those photos than now. the picture of him facing the front is the best one.
     
  9. Bullful

    Bullful Little Dog

    family members... and now they are older with families,jobs(not night club bouncers), and responsibilities with little time for all the hours in the gym. I have patched the holes and pulled dented sheet metal, been there for the outbursts and meltdowns and now the bitch tits have been taken care of but the weight is a hard battle. Thank dog they weren't scarred physically and they now excell in careers that truly build self esteem and benefit mankind daily instead of shaving, oiling, tanning and posing for hours in front of a mirror flexing their muscles and massaging their ego's. Of course they had to experience it and decide for themselves when to move ahead.

    Speaking of ego's, since you like running so much why did you not get a hound? Did you choose this breed to draw further attention to your self?

    ..my old 13 year old would run 3 miles every morning with me and barely had an ounce of fat on him......or wait,i guess i was cruel for keeping him in shape instead of allowing him to become a useless lump of lard :rolleyes:

    I can pretty much bet the house that you refer to most people that are not of similar physical condition, as useless lumps of lard also.

    You choose to run and share it with your dog...great. The most my dog has ever jogged is a mile. More than enough for me! And you know, when he lies down on the couch or in the bed I like his soft pink feet just fine.

    How about sharing a few photos of your fine specimens.

    ---------- Post added at 10:09 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:00 PM ----------

    That chest is not at all puffy, that was all bone and muscle. One of the best you'll never get a chance to put your hand on.

    Chest:Should be broad when viewed from in front, and there should be great depth from the withers to brisket, so that the latter is nearer the ground than the belly.
     
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  10. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    yet having an over wegiht dog win a show ribbon will boost a humans ego-and they acctually cause there dog to go backwards in health for it. :rolleyes:

    Bullful no doubt Rufus is the breed standard through and through, and its that IMO where the problem lies with the standard and the people choosing to follow it for no other gain but for them selves.
     
  11. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog



    is it my fault your family members are mentally weak misguided fools who lack any knowledge of the subject they are interested in ?

    in all walks of life you get serious competitors who strive to be the best they can be....you also get idiots who just do something for all the wrong reasons with no understanding of what they are doing....dont confuse one with the other and then lump them altogether as the same !!!


    your comment about that fat little dogs chest being all bone and muscle :D:D:D:D pretty much sums up your knowledge of anatomy and the body human or animal.....and i simply cannot be bothered to argue the toss with somebody with such deluded uneducated thoughts !!.....is it little wonder this breed is in the mess it is with people like you taking it forwards....or backwards as the case clearly is......


    and speaking of ego,s.....yes i might have a tiny ego and like to get the absolute best from my body which is a choice i make.....apart from being a buiseness as i own the gym ;)
    BUT... nothing beats the ego of a person who forces some poor deformed animal to stand in a show ring to get a pat on the back from other deranged idiots and take home a pretty rossette !
     
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  12. Bullful

    Bullful Little Dog

    Mr. Clueless,

    And to what end do you pack the muscle onto the human torso looking for recognition on the stage? Unable to walk a normal gait, having to swing your arms to and fro. Ripped shirts and sweat shirts modified to draw the attention of all that pass. And because you own the gym you are able to continue your quest, while those of a like mind set support you.
    " BUT... nothing beats the ego of a person who "ENTICES" some poor deformed "BODYBUILDER" to stand "ON" a "STAGE" to get a pat on the back from other deranged idiots and take home a pretty rossette !"

    Had my dog not enjoyed his time in the ring he would have never walked thru the gate. And anyone that has seen him compete will be able to confirm that.
    He didn't have to strees his joints and muscles to become something he wasn't or was never meant to be. He is a natural that easily moves from the couch to the winners podium.
    But most of all he is my pet whose company I cherish.
     
  13. Jim

    Jim Good Dog

    'He is a natural that easily moves from the couch to the winners podium'

    That is one of the saddest things I have ever read.
     
  14. Bullful

    Bullful Little Dog

    Jim,

    Does your dog not share some time on the couch with you. It seems that if you even mention that you spend time relaxing that you have done the breed wrong.
     
  15. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog



    it seems quite obvious to me that you lack any real understanding of basically " bettering oneself ".....be it human or animal....

    i CHOOSE to build,maintain......and IMPROVE my physical condition on a daily basis over the last 20 or so years.....

    your dog DID NOT CHOOSE to prance around a showring......YOU chose that for him....i will admit to my ego towards my own self....will you admit to your ego towards a poor dog who doesnt know any better !!!


    dogs dont make choices like we do........i chose my shape and worked hard for it,nobody or no thing suffer from the choice i made.....that poor fat little dog you own has been forced by YOU to be a disgusting unhealthy caricature......and then forced to show it off in front of others !......make a fool of yourself not your dog.
     
  16. Bullful

    Bullful Little Dog

    Yes Mr. Clueless I have already made a fool of myself but only for having bothered to reply to many of the posts in this thread.
     
  17. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog


    what a cop out !

    if you feel strongly in favour of exaggerated unhealthy dog breeds and dog shows (which clearly you do)then back yourself up with a good argument in its favour......if you know you cant do that.......say something like you just posted.......:D


    theres a famous saying .....

    YOU CAN FOOL SOME OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME
    BUT
    YOU CANNOT FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME ;)
     
  18. AmberABCg

    AmberABCg Puppy

    <<'He is a natural that easily moves from the couch to the winners podium'
    That is one of the saddest things I have ever read.>>

    In what way, Jim?

    Through reading various posts, I perceive that most people on this forum APBT or BT, regardless of differences in bull terrier 'type' and what activities their dogs engage in, still regard their dogs as companions rather than livestock.

    One thing I find notably absent from this thread, and another regarding changes in the breed, are the differences in the bull terrier breed from continent to continent. Especially since we have cultural differences on what is acceptable to the public (many of us fight the endless fight against BSL), differences in what health testing is affordable, accessable, or neccessary (many imported dogs from a particular region are known to pass OCD/spinning/SOA/poor temperament) etc.

    How many have extensively experienced various breeders and breeding stock from across the globe?
     
  19. Jim

    Jim Good Dog

    In that he considers that the natural thing to do lie on the couch and plod around the show ring,and seems proud of it. And also it looks like that is all the dog has done.
     
  20. AmberABCg

    AmberABCg Puppy

    <<I also dont 'breed' dogs. >>


    Danielle,

    What you don't seem to understand is that I'm not trying to be clever, I'm just trying to figure out why you change your story so often.

    Figure out what you believe in, and stand behind it, rather than stand behind pseudonyms and screen names and change your opinions daily. There are obviously people who prefer different types, temperaments, and practices, but we all love a bully breed for different reasons.

    And if I'm off topic on this thread, I apologize. I've read so many different posts that you've made regarding whether you had actually bred or not, that I might have posted this in the wrong thread. I can repost and ask my question to you on another thread if you prefer.


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