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Bull terrier continues winning ways

Discussion in 'Bull Terrier' started by Vicki, Oct 31, 2009.

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  1. Jim

    Jim Good Dog

    I've just read through all of this and I have to agree with Mr.Clueless,especially on the issue of the shows. Take a breed to a show and you might as well start burying them because it will be less painful for the dogs and embarassing for you. I'm what Mr.Clueless calls the untrained eye,I think,and I can see that Teals dog and the one he posted are fit and athletic. I can see that the dog at the top of the thread is fat. If I can see this how can so-called experts and breeders of these dogs not. 37.6 kilos at 18 months is ridiculous.
     
  2. Mrpedigree

    Mrpedigree Big Dog

    Actually buddy i also said that the show dogs are starting to weigh far to much these days...but where i disagree with mr.clueless is that he assumes all bull terriers are now fat lazy unhealthy show dogs...witch is simply
    not true ! this is where his argument fails !
    Theres been lots of videos of EBTs on here doing all sorts of things lazy dogs wouldn't do lol!
    Yet hes still adamant that all EBTs are useless lazy nonathletic unhealthy dogs with no spirit or drive to do anything other than be a couch potato!
    Do you agree Jim that all bull terriers are fat unhealthy dogs ??
     
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  3. Jim

    Jim Good Dog

    The majority are fat which equals unhealthy. That's what I think.
     
  4. Mrpedigree

    Mrpedigree Big Dog

    There not all fat...i know cause i breed them...as with the apbt ...you get fat ones...you get fit ones....yet dont you think that its fool hardy to tar every EBT the same ...all beacuse the show dogs are fatter?? Thats BS !
     
  5. Jim

    Jim Good Dog

    I never said they were all fat but most are. What % do anything other than shows or as pets? I think a very small amount. Show me one of your dogs in good condition please if possible.
     
  6. Mrpedigree

    Mrpedigree Big Dog

    this is my solid red bitch...shes the active terrier type...she weighs about 24 kg
     
  7. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    The thing is Jim are most bull terries are born/created with a bulky heavy body. You can still make athletic and driven. But a lot of them are born with wide chests and big frames. There just a wider, bulkier dog (some people make them TOO bulky). But they can be athletic and most are drive, so driven they get neurological problems because there owners don't give them what they need.

    I BELIEVE YOU MAY NEED TO CHANGE IT TO 99% OWNERS ARE FAT AND LAZY NOT THE DOGS. THE DOGS DONT CHOSE TO BE THIS WAY ITS THE OWNERS WHO MAKE THEM LIKE THIS. ALL OF THEM HAVE POTENTIAL.

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    See how big and bulky he is? But hes in great shape compared to most bullies.

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    To someone who doesnt know much about the bull terrier doesnt realize a bullie like Teal's is rare to come by with a high chest and a small framed body. If I were to make him any leaner he would look severly malnutritioned. The point is, to most people the black bullie in the pictures may look fat/lazy to the naked eye, but in reality for a bull terrier, he is doing great.
     
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  8. Jim

    Jim Good Dog

    You're black one looks alright but as you always say you like to keep them a bit fatter so no ribs are showing. He has nice muscle tone. I never said anything about 99% of anything. Just because dogs have the potential does not change the fact of what they are. I might have the potential to be the best high jumper in the world but we'll never know if I don't go out and do high jump.
     
  9. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    Jim I understand. You dont realize if I made that black dog skinny to the point where you would see his ribs he would look seriously sick. His frame does not allow for that lean of a dog. You didnt see the rib cage in any of the bull terriers back in the day. LIKE I SAID its NOT the dog thats fat and lazy the people make them that way because they dont take them out and work them, but I can assure you, if they did, they would look a lot like that black dog there.

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    also, my red bitch is only 9 months old, and just getting over a leg injury, so shes a bit plump.

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  10. Mrpedigree

    Mrpedigree Big Dog

    My solid red bitch below only weighs 24 kg but she can run 3 miles a day with me when i go running ..she is very active !
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    but heres the difference this white dog i got is the opposite to the red...she weighs 30 kg and wouldnt run around the block let alone a mile lol
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  11. Jim

    Jim Good Dog

    Thats good that your dog can do normal activity but pretty shocking that the other one is allowed to get that fat unless there is a reason for it.
     
  12. Mrpedigree

    Mrpedigree Big Dog

    Like i was saying earlier Jim its all down the bloodline/breeding ...The white girl is from what you would call show lines ...real big hefty dogs ...even if i slim her down she still dont want to do anything...she is a lazy bull terrier...thats why shes that size...she dont do anything !
    The solid red bitch sasha is from different bloodlines and her parents were both active terrier type BTs...she is a whole different kettle of fish...you can do much more with her...she more my cup of tea :)
     
  13. Bullful

    Bullful Little Dog

    I am wondering if any of you have read this very informative article.

    http://www.btca.com/content/documents/education/Bull%20Terrier%20Types.pdf

    Or The Illustrated Bull Terrier Standard,

    http://www.btca.com/content/documents/education/bull_terrier_illustrated_standard.pdf

    I must say that a few of the photos posted look remarkably similar to the now extinct English White Terrier and one that looked to have the head of a pharoh hound.
    Many of you pride yourself with the removal of the bull from the Bull and Terrier.
    Good Luck turning the clock back!
     
  14. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    I dont think so. These athletic, driven, in great-shape bull terriers are the only thing keeping the bull alive in the BT. Again Bullful, you are simply saying that were removing the 'bull' from the bull and terrier by looks? :confused: Thats exactly what were getting at, people want to focus on the look of the BT and not the temperment it has. These bull terriers you commented on are athletic, driven, in great shape and classic examples of what the world needs more of, instead of people being concerned there is no 'bull' to my dogs looks.
     
  15. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog


    now there you go again......puffing that chest out again.....now look,i know your trying to come across all big and bad....but your actually about as intimidating as a chicken drumstick !
    what do you want to meet me for ? do you want a fight ? :rolleyes:
    you sent me a message telling me your a gypsy....asking for my phone number and asking if you can meet me.......all because i dont like the dogs you like :lol:.....
    unfortunately ive had real conflict with real people in my life so im afraid your schoolboy internet antics dont impress me one bit ;)


    now as regards dogs........if you are adamant there are so many sporting/game/athletic bull terriers around then prove it,....most people are happy to accept they are few and far between,my estimate would be 9 out of 10 bull terriers worldwide are NOT fit athletic dogs,hence the likes of teals dog and kaiser etc are rare......if you dont feel the same then argue your case dont stand their stamping your feet and beating your chest like a 12 year old....this is the internet for crying out loud !....as for your dogs pictured above,the red one is a poor physical specimen and the white one is a cruelty case in my opinion....if that honesty offends you then i apologise but you post pictures you must welcome replies....or are you only interested in " nice dog mate " comments

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    ive said before i think that black dog is a good example of the breed.....and hucklebutt i think you have a really good outlook on the breed and you are obviously enthusiastic for a fit healthy dog which is great....

    i think with a little more knowledge and confidence in yourself and the dog you could have this dog looking every bit as good as the one teal posted.....the dog is clearly happy to be active and has the correct mental drive to obtain top bodily condition....whether he ever reaches his physical potential is down to you.....but whether he does or not he,s a nice made animal and seems to have a great happy healthy life which of course is most important.
     
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  16. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    Teal's dog and my dog are totally different dogs in body condition because they are so very different. Her bull terrier has an extremly small frame, smaller/lighter bone structure, and a smaller rib cage. My dog could never look like that dog he is built with bigger bones and a wider rib cage. If I made my dog that lean all you would see is a giant rib cage sticking out!
     
  17. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    you are wrong,the difference between actual bone girth and frame size is probably very minimal......when you take a dog down to its peak lean weight in the correct way you see a lot of changes,head shape,leg length....general shape etc etc......its just about doing it right.

    ive seen and had dogs that you wouldnt believe were the same dog before and after conditioning.

    as a simple example....if you cut ricky hattons head off you wouldnt think his body in normal everyday life....and pre fight night was the same human being would you......and thats nothing to do with bone size its about stripping the body down correctly....bad example if your not a boxing fan but im sure you get my drift :D
     
  18. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    im going to just have to plain out disagree with you there. i dont think my dog could ever look like teals, just like i dont think her dog could look just like mine. I dont think there body frame is the same. nope sorry i dont agree and i know your going to argue with it but your not going to sway my thoughts, sorry.
     
  19. Pipbull

    Pipbull Big Dog

    Hucklebutt, I hear what you're saying about the frame, but I disagree from my personal experience with my Bully. Even though his ribcage does stick out more than normal, he can still be a fit dog. It's not all about the look, which is what a lot of this thread has been about.
     
  20. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    I've had him pretty lean before and he looked very akward. And he is very athletic, thank you.

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    if you notice his chest goes down. Teal's dog doesnt have a low chest, and I can't shrink that. Either way, I have no desire to keep him that lean as he will look like a mutant. He gets 3 hours a day, sometimes more of strenous, harsh exercise where he plays fetch while weight pulling, spring pole, weight pulls large amounts, swims, runs and runs, mountain climbs, climbs tress, ect ect.
     
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