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Bsl...the law...human complacency.

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NobodyHere

Guest
Obviously you wouldn't. ..you'd rather take it to be destroyed than break the law. I'm not the one breeding them illegally. ..just trying to find a good home for some of them

I would rather destroy a dog quickly than have it live -- scratch that -- "exist," with a half-wit, do-gooding furmommy that likely should have never owned the breed in the first place, until it's forcefully snatched away and put down anyway because said furmommy just had to have one now in order to feel like they've accomplished something in their miserable life.
 

Birchy

Puppy
What I have done so far is to rehome a couple of dogs and other than that ive been in touch with a few media personalities in the uk to ask for their support in petitioning a change in Bsl
 
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NobodyHere

Guest
What I have done so far is to rehome a couple of dogs and other than that ive been in touch with a few media personalities in the uk to ask for their support in petitioning a change in Bsl

Do you take these dogs you "rescued" out in public? Ever? How about for walks? To the vet?
 

Birchy

Puppy
If your talking about my own dogs, yes I take them out, and regularly to the vets, they are also chipped and insured. Let me say this, when you're at home later if not already there, take a look at your dog and imagine if someone asked you if you could find a loving home for him or her if a bitch, knowing the alternative would be the dog destroyed under bsl law...would you say no and send it to the pound.
 

Birchy

Puppy
I would rather destroy a dog quickly than have it live -- scratch that -- "exist," with a half-wit, do-gooding furmommy that likely should have never owned the breed in the first place, until it's forcefully snatched away and put down anyway because said furmommy just had to have one now in order to feel like they've accomplished something in their miserable life.

Just to reply to that...ive had pits all my life...over 40years...as did my dad and granddad...not exactly just had to have one.
 
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NobodyHere

Guest
If your talking about my own dogs, yes I take them out, and regularly to the vets, they are also chipped and insured. Let me say this, when you're at home later if not already there, take a look at your dog and imagine if someone asked you if you could find a loving home for him or her if a bitch, knowing the alternative would be the dog destroyed under bsl law...would you say no and send it to the pound.

I'd figure out what to do with my dogs, and it wouldn't involve shipping them off to someone who was also in a major BSL area, where I'd still have to constantly worry about my dog being seized and killed. That's just ridiculous.
 

Birchy

Puppy
I'd figure out what to do with my dogs, and it wouldn't involve shipping them off to someone who was also in a major BSL area, where I'd still have to constantly worry about my dog being seized and killed. That's just ridiculous.
And that's the point...this whole country is a Bsl area and the dogs are here. I dont agree with backyard breeders breeding in a Bsl country but it happens and it's these people that cause a lot of the problems, dogs being used for fighting, baiting or just generally mistreated. Ive not bread any of mine since 1991, just before bsl came into force. My eldest dog came from someone who had a couple of different pups of my dad and bread once in 1995, after bsl came in. I'm not saying I agree with him doing so but accidents do happen and at my dads advice he then had the dogs neutered. I ended up with the runt and had to hand rear him. He's still healthy, playful and in my pics. But you still haven't answered my question. ..what would you do if someone asked for your help rehoming a dog...say yes and break the law or say no and kill the dog
 

Nyli

Little Dog
This sounds harsh but say no! Helping people who knowingly break the law only sends the message that it's okay to break the law because someone else will clean up their mess for them.


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Birchy

Puppy
This sounds harsh but say no! Helping people who knowingly break the law only sends the message that it's okay to break the law because someone else will clean up their mess for them.


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I know in principle you are right Nyli...no laws should have to be broken but in all conscience I can't turn my back on the situation. The few dogs I have helped rehome, I've done my upmost to make sure things were done properly. ..Home checks, even though I knew the people personally, all except 2 had been neutered. ..those 2 now have been and I paid myself for one to be done and all are chipped. NO...I shouldn't have to do this but until the emphasis is placed at the feet of dog owners and not the breeds, and backyard breeders are held more responsible then I cant turn my back
 
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NobodyHere

Guest
no laws should have to be broken but in all conscience I can't turn my back on the situation.

What people like you are never going to get through your heads is the fact that you are part of what is creating a market for those dogs in the first place.

But you still haven't answered my question. ..what would you do if someone asked for your help rehoming a dog...say yes and break the law or say no and kill the dog

If someone asked for my help in "rehoming" their dog, by adopting their dog? Funny how you act like that doesn't happen already. And then you're assuming that I would also be in a BSL area when this was asked of me? The answer would be the same. "No." Presumably, in this scenario, I had my own dogs when this happened? I'd be more concerned with how I was going to keep and maintain MY dogs, not drag home another one to feed and house, and putting the rest of mine in further jeopardy. "Say no and kill the dog," you say? I may say no, but it is neither my responsibility nor my problem if the dog dies. Dogs die every day. So do human children. Just because I don't turn myself into the world's most active hoarder and attempt to save ALL of them doesn't make me accountable for their death.
 

lizzie13

Good Dog
I'm not aware of any of these laws in your area or to do with bsl but there isn't a legal way you can do this such as creating a legit rescue or something?
 

Birchy

Puppy
The markets always been there...there's always been the basement fights, teenage dealers who want a symbol etc...trying to rehome and not take home to live with me as you seem to be reading into it, in my opinion isn't a bad thing, wrong in the eyes of the law...yes, but morally wrong...NO!!!. Maybe it's we come from different backgrounds but we don't see this from the same side.
I posted this thread originally to get mixed views, and apreciate every one, but I've not been brought up to turn my back on others in need, whether human or animal.. like I have previously wrote, I've managed to find homes for a few dogs, petitioned some UK media people and celebrities and emailed the producers of a recent tv programme on dangerous dogs for all their stats. It's not a lot but I'm just trying to do what I can. I didn't move to a bsl area or go and buy a dog after it. Bsl came to where I was and it was country wide, and we already had pits. We never bread pits again and the eldest of my dogs is the last of his line I can trace back to when I was born.
 
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NobodyHere

Guest
trying to rehome and not take home to live with me as you seem to be reading into it

Really? Because you just posted recently...

I am able to offer a forever home to either an APBT or Amstaff bitch. Must be good with children and other dogs. Would prefare under 18months old. Was considering buying a pup but there are to many unwanted and neglected pits in uk as it is with the law as it stands and hate the thought of a dog being destroyed just because of its looks or breed. So if you know of a dog wanting a loving home please get in touch
 

Birchy

Puppy
I'm not aware of any of these laws in your area or to do with bsl but there isn't a legal way you can do this such as creating a legit rescue or something?

I wish there was and in the long run I hope there will be but as the law stands, no dog on the banned list can be sold or rehomed, and with bsl the only outcome is death to the poor dog. I dont want to break the law but I dont know what else to do, thats one reason for this thread.
 

Birchy

Puppy
Yes and as I've said, registered, chipped and neutered, aswell as insured as mine are. One dog, not dozens and this was for me, not to pass on somewhere down the line. Maybe you're right Seven and I should just concentrate on my dogs and stuff the rest, after all, it's not our responsibility
 
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NobodyHere

Guest
Yes and as I've said, registered, chipped and neutered, aswell as insured as mine are. One dog, not dozens and this was for me, not to pass on somewhere down the line. Maybe you're right Seven and I should just concentrate on my dogs and stuff the rest, after all, it's not our responsibility

You're not going to guilt or manipulate me into agreeing with you. You taking in "just one more" (though you can't seem to decide whether you are or are not the one wanting to "rehome" this dog...have I mentioned I despise liars?) isn't going to stop BSL, it isn't going to stop others from dying, but it IS going to put your current illegally obtained and housed dogs in further jeopardy. Every time you have to take the dog out in public, every time you go for a walk, every time you have to take one to the vet, and the more you own, the more exposure you have.
 

DancesWithCurs

Good Dog
You move the dogs out of places with BSL and home them elsewhere, that's what you do. If not, you put them down because the alternative sucks for all parties involved. Police are literally going into people's homes and dragging their dogs out for even looking like banned breeds. All your actions do at the end of the day is put responsible dog owners in jeopardy
 
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Birchy

Puppy
You move the dogs out of places with BSL and home them elsewhere, that's what you do. If not, you put them down because the alternative sucks for all parties involved. Police are literally going into people's homes and dragging their dogs out for even looking like banned breeds. All your actions do at the end of the day is put responsible dog owners in jeopardy

How can you do that when you live on an island?
 

DancesWithCurs

Good Dog
How can you do that when you live on an island?
Did the UK stop having ways in and out of it? Because sorry, you're not going to convince me that keeping a banned breed in a place where they are literally dragging them out of their homes to kill them while denying them the amount of activity and stimulation they need as a breed is a much better alternative to trying to remove them