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Breeding out DA

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by Beki, Jun 4, 2016.

  1. Madeleinemom

    Madeleinemom MS Bites, My Dog Doesn't Staff Member Super Moderator

    I believe that you recently took in a dog (if memory serves), without having planned or researched that impromptu addition. The same has happened to some of us, in my case back in 2001, when we went from zero dogs to one BBM in an instant. No time to do any research, which I did post my husband's scooping up the neglected pup. It worked, reading up on the type and keeping our wits about us with her and the second (DA dog) addition in 2006.

    With all due respect - I do not consider myself part of the problem, although I do agree with you that there are misguided rescues/individuals out there that should not be 'in the business of' promoting BBMs as the perfect, snuggle bunny pets.
     
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  2. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    You found a stray puppy and decided to keep it, you really have no idea if someone "threw him away."
     
  3. Nataliya82

    Nataliya82 Little Dog

    You are not part of the problem, and good for you taking in that pup! I had zero intentions on ever getting a dog, not in a million years, and when my bf constantly mentioned that he'd like a dog, I shrugged it off successfully for 6 years. We would've continued to be dog-less if he didn't stumbled on Loki while coming home from work. I didn't even know what breed he was, let alone done research beforehand. The day we adopted him I started reading about the breed and dogs in general (never had one). I've trained him and while he might be a spoiled brat at times, he is an obedient trained dog for the most part. I feel like maybe some rescues don't disclose DA traits in the breed, but overall there are literally THOUSANDS of well adjusted loving rescues worldwide, not just in this country. Pitbull rescue is really picking up right now and I see so many people with adopted adult dogs (which I think is so much harder, since they might have PTSD and various things that might trigger them. Not to mention people that surrender a dog that might be HA but don't want to disclose it). As far as snuggling, Loki is a snuggliest dog I've met! Judging by the pics of other BBMs, it seems to be a common thing for them-being physically close to their owners (my boy is sleeping on me as we speak lol).
     
  4. Nataliya82

    Nataliya82 Little Dog

    We found a stray puppy at a park surrounded by industrial buildings, so it's highly unlikely that he ran away from someone's home since there are none in a close proximity. Also, he was ready to run into the street which is when my SO pulled over and stopped. I was looking for missing puppy posters everywhere and posting on Craiglist, with no luck. We took him to MADACC, a shelter in Milwaukee for stray dogs. They told us if nobody claims him we can either adopt or he goes to Humane Society. After nobody claimed him for 2 weeks, he went home with us. So yeah, I think it's safe to say that nobody was looking for him. We didn't just find him and decide to keep him at home.
     
  5. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    But that's certainly what it sounds like when you say you accidentally got a dog.
     
  6. Nataliya82

    Nataliya82 Little Dog

    Sorry that that's what it sounded to you like. I wrote about it explicitly in the introduction because I don't want people to assume that I stole someone's puppy from a park where they were walking him. No, we took him in because we didn't know what to do with him as he didn't seem abused or starving but was definitely in danger of getting hit by a car and there were no people around. Plus I thought someone would be looking for their adorable puppy and be upset, but they never contacted MADACC. Accidentally meant that I had no plans on ever getting a dog, I've never been a pet person, and knew what huge responsibility dogs are. I came home from work and there was a puppy in my house. Adopting him was a huge shock and the first couple of months were really hard on me as I had no idea what to do with a puppy. He is now neutered, got all his shots, registration, city tags, etc so I am glad he wound up with us and not in the hands of some BYB that would try to make a quick buck off of him. I live in the city where it's a VERY common thing and people try to sell them for $$$ and even for drugs.
     
  7. bamaman

    bamaman Big Dog

    My friend I had bulldogs before I rescued this one .Still do.
     
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  8. Mister

    Mister Little Dog

    The population explosion only happened because of the humaniac's led media stories started decades ago, that continues today, that made & make the breed attractive for the wrong reasons to some.
    Research and study not only to understand the nature of your dog and it's breed, but also to be a responsible owner and have the knowledge of what to do in an emergency situation.
    If the breed had stayed in the hands of those who understood and respected the breed, instead of getting into the hands of pet owners who didn't and treated and raised them like an ordinary dog. Then probably most of the incidents that made the headlines on the breed wouldn't of happened.
     
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  9. Nataliya82

    Nataliya82 Little Dog

    You are basically isolating the breed and specifying that they are NOT the ordinary dog, which in turn fuels the "pitbulls are not dogs but killing machines with locking jaws that you need to keep away from the main population." If someone would've told me this when we were deciding on adopting Loki, I would most likely not adopt him because I don't want a breed that is supposed to be raised not like an ordinary dog. I'm also not sure what your definition of an ordinary dog is- there are lots of dog breeds that are strong and powerful, some designed to guard or kill animals. Yes, I have heard of break sticks and other devices. Yes, I have read about how to use them and split up fights. No, he is my only dog and I am not getting any more to "keep him company", etc. Most accidents either involve dogs that are not pitbulls, or that are dogs that are untrained and kept around children. Also, there are awful incidents that involve other breeds if you google, but the media concentrates on pitbulls. There are millions of pitbulls living with families and treated like regular dogs, I know a lot of people, and their dogs haven't mauled anyone. Even a 100 attacks out of 6 million dogs is a pretty tiny ratio.
    When I heard that Loki was a pitbull mix, I was worried that I would have problems with people telling me he will kill me, or that he shouldn't exist cause of his breed, or that he needs to stay away from them. Ironically the most flack I get is from pitbull connoisseurs who either call me an irresponsible owner (without knowing me or anything about what I learned) or who assume with pretty not covert hostility that I stole someone's puppy from the park and now probably am planning to breed him. This makes me not want to belong to any breed related communities because this is not what I expected.
     
  10. bamaman

    bamaman Big Dog

    Mister ! This is by far the greatest post I have read from you bro ! thanks !
     
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  11. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    But they're not the ordinary dog and shouldn't be owned by most of the general population, and it's perfectly acceptable to be honest about that fact.

    What fuels that idea far more than honesty are the so-called "Pit Bull advocates" who try to re-write the breed's history, deny breed traits, re-brand them as "pibbles/pitties" and market them to the general public as "just like any other dog" who "won't hurt a fly if they're raised right and socialized" because they're "nanny dogs" that were originally bred for "herding cattle," and other such nonsensical horseshit.
     
  12. Nataliya82

    Nataliya82 Little Dog

    Could you honestly tell me who should own them? Badass people? Thugs? Dogfighters? Can you just list some of the traits that I should be aware of? What about thousands and thousands of adopted pitbulls who ARE great family pets? I honestly don't get your point. Listening what you hear would make me hypothetically want to support the BSL because as we all know this is not the perfect world and a lot of people that get a hold of these dogs ARE irresponsible and have bad intentions. Basically with BSL implemented, these dogs would be eliminated and there will be no need to worry about the general public being attacked by pitbulls. I don't get your logic...You are being hostile and rude, I understand it's the internet and it's easy to hide behind any facade, but you literally don't have to act like this, it is really offputting. There is a thread about why people are leaving the forums, and I can definitely see why. It is very easy being rude anonymously and attack people. Just saying...
     
  13. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    People who can responsibly handle and contain exuberant, active dogs who can be destructive if given the chance to create their own entertainment, and can be outright dangerous if not lethal to other animals, including other dogs.

    Clearly, because I said nothing about human-aggression, which is what the rest of your tirade seems to be about.

    If you think this is being hostile or rude, then I'll just come out and say that you don't have nearly thick enough skin to own a bull breed dog. If my being honest about this breed and the destruction that pibblemommies cause is "off-putting," that's not my problem. I'm not going to sugar coat this breed for anyone.
     
  14. Nataliya82

    Nataliya82 Little Dog

    First of all, a lot of breeds are exuberant, large, and destructive. Second, you don't know me and you don't know how I handle things. Thirdly, I never argued that they are not aggressive or lethal to other dogs. Hence why I don't let him offleash, I don't have another dog, and in general we are not around other dogs. I see that you work for a professional kennel. Well, my dog is a mutt, a mix, he is not a real pitbull, you should know that.

    LOL!! I was born and raised in Communist Russia with no food, with 5 hr lines, and surrounded by rude drunk hopeless people swearing at each other and treating each other like garbage. I moved to the US in order to live in a civilized society where people respect each other and don't jump down each other's throats aggressively. I've handled much more in life than internet aggression from anonymous strangers, but it is not an adult thing to do and it doesn't intimidate me but rather makes me question the integrity and soundness of a person who is attacking me online. I don't have thin skin, I am amazed at rudeness some people exhibit towards complete strangers. Just because I can handle someone's poor behavior online doesn't mean I should enjoy or tolerate it. You are a professional business owner, this is not a professional attitude.
     
  15. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    I never said anything about large. And so what? A lot of breeds shouldn't be owned by the general population. These aren't Cavalier King Charles Spaniels.

    The funny part is that you decided to get butthurt, go off on a tirade and make it all about you. Why don't you go back and actually read the post you originally quoted? It had nothing to do with you, unless you're one of the people I was describing in that post. Perhaps the lady doth protest too much.

    I don't "work for" anyone.

    Really? Since when? I don't peddle dogs for profit, does my yard look like a Walmart to you?

    Like I said, I'm not going to candy coat my breed for anyone. If you're offended over honesty about breed traits and think that someone who condemns pibblemommies is "off putting," maybe you should find yourself a "safe space" where you can be sheltered from reality and don't have to tolerate anything you don't want to hear, but neither PBC nor GD are that space.
     
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  16. Nataliya82

    Nataliya82 Little Dog

    I am not offended by honesty, I'm "offended" by your rudeness and I can only fathom what kind of person you must be in real life unless this is your online persona only. I've read your other comments and 99% of them are confrontational, geezus. (I know, you will now accuse me of stalking you, LOL)
    You should really chill out. You OWN (I am sorry, you're an OWNER, I apologize, please accept my apologies, I am so sorry) a kennel, so you must be Michael. Relax, Michael. You started with mild accusations that I've taken someone's puppy, let's not sugarcoat it. Would YOU let a puppy run into traffic? Should I have left him there? I have no idea what a pibblemommie is, I have no idea what your definition of a pibblemommie is, I train my dog, he listens to me, I go to forums to learn what to do more and I listen to advice. I don't get what your advice to me would be: "throw a rock on his head because you are not a legit professional of a legit pitbull"? I posted a vid of me training him, feel free to check it out, btw, so you don't assume that I wheel my unwieldy dog in a stroller with a treat sticking out of his ass and a pacifier in his mouth. I can be a major bitch on line and in RL to people, but that would make me look like shit and probably make others feel like shit, and I want to avoid that kind of perception of me as much as I can. When I see other people over 30 have an adolescent confrontational behavior, I just wonder how they were raised and what makes them so angry. I've never seen your yard, so I have no idea what it looks like. Oh, I hope you enjoy this

     
  17. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    Good, tell me exactly what was "rude" about my statement that most people who call themselves "Pit Bull advocates" are doing more harm to the breed by denying or lying about the breed's history and trying to market them to everyone than those of us who are honest about the breed's history and breed traits.

    I'm exactly the same person in real life as I am online.

    What can I say, I have a very low tolerance level when it comes to bullshit and stupidity.

    Why would I do that? My comments are made in public venues. They're literally intended for other people to see.

    You should really stop dictating anything to anyone.

    Correct.

    Who is sugar coating? That's absolutely what I did, based on your previous posts. You elaborated on the situation, and I didn't say another word about it. See how that works?

    I posted my definition of what a pibblemommy/"pit bull advocate" is, try reading the post you quoted when you started your tirade over how rude I am. If you don't even know what one is, and nothing I said applies to you, perhaps you shouldn't have immediately jumped to being so personally butthurt over it as if it was an "attack" against YOU, hmm?

    Now you're just making it up as you go.

    What does your ability to make your bull breed mutt do tricks have to do with anything I posted, at all?
     
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  18. Nataliya82

    Nataliya82 Little Dog

    Btw, that post about the puppy...I don't leave my Loki unsupervised anywhere, not at all times. I have my eye on him pretty much at all times. Why? Not because I'm a "pibblemommy" but because there is dog theft in the area, especially pitbull mixes (I was already asked if I'd sell him and had a car drive by my yard back and forth) and because we live in the city with high traffic and I'm not about to be scraping off my puppy off the pavement. yes, he runs in the yard, but he is supervised. Cause that's a responsible thing to do.
     
  19. Nataliya82

    Nataliya82 Little Dog

    PS, I am not a pitbull advocate, I didn't give two shits about the breed until 7 months ago. I am all for screening the owners and making them get licences. I didn't adopt Loki because I wanted to "prove the world that they are wonderful nanny dogs that cuddle with bunnies."
     
  20. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    "I'm not," "I didn't," "I am," "I don't," "me," "my," "mine." Not one goddamned thing in this thread was directed at YOU until YOU made it all about YOU, because YOU clearly thrive on causing drama and then blaming others when they engage you in it. Sometimes the song just isn't about YOU.
     
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