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Breeding for dogs that are genetically unhealthy

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by CrazyK9, Sep 7, 2013.

  1. kayla baxter

    kayla baxter Big Dog

    The labs make me so sad. No wonder people say that show bred labs can't work. Molly is from one of Canada's top show breeders, with MBIS, MBISS dogs and was the first breeder in Canada to have GChs in all three colors, she's just not fat. She can swim for hours and would have made a fine duck dog. She was almost seven here and was in better shape when she was younger and raw fed, but has an easily visible tuck and waist. She was around 70lbs here and in her prime was closer to 65 and ran with me on the bike almost daily. At one point my parents let her hit almost 90lbs after I moved out and she looked pretty damn close to the dogs in the breed ring. Too bad. The CKC shows I attend haven't been nearly as bad as the AKC shows seem to be.

    I also refuse to keep my dane show boy fat for the ring. Many would have a least 10lbs on him for "show condition". I just need it to warm up to start running with him again.
  2. MMSmith

    MMSmith Good Dog

    I agree that it's terrible, but I also think that there is a healthy division in many breeds between show lines, working lines, and sporting lines. For example, border collie breeders can specialize in any of these. I know folks with examples of each type. There are also tons of good working bulldog breeders, and most breeds that still serve a purpose (working, herding, hunting, etc) have distinctive working lines vs show lines.

    It's sad that there are some breeders that are so removed from their breed's original purpose, but not all of them are like that. Rhys's breeder has show line dogs (Amstaffs, the show line version of the APBT lol) that she still works and focuses on dog sports with. Rhys at nine months has lots of drive and hunting ability, that I can only imagine has been preserved through ethical breeding practices. I have high hopes for him in both working and hunting (barn hunt) venues. In fact, the other night he and Henry bayed up on a possum and I let them at it (Henry is an experienced hunter). Rhys caught the possum and Henry killed it. So much for being a fat show dog, huh? LOL.
  3. durock

    durock Puppy

  4. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    The division doesn't bother me so much, as long as each one doesn't claim to be what it's not.

    I do think that maybe we need to get over the rather damaging notion of a "purebred" dog (breeding from ONLY a closed gene pool); and that to cross in a different breed to save another is not blasphemy. The Pointer/Dalmatian cross to introduce the normal gene for uric acid formation is a good example. I believe it was only ONE cross ever made, but whether to accept the results from 3 generations AWAY from the one cross as "purebred" Dals turned into a battle within the breed club that I found fascinating. Why the hell NOT?

    Jeffrey Bragg has written many articles on genetic diversity, starting back in the mid-90s and I highly recommend any article by him. His original article in 1996 is the one that got me interested in the whole thing. It is long, but many of you will really like it. Breeders especially will understand and appreciate it.
  5. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    And of course, the English Bulldog is the poster dog for extremes in purebreds....

    Cofla likes this.

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