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Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by copasetic1011, Sep 16, 2007.

  1. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    The company that made the DNA test came into our hospital the info that came along with it said that not all breeds are in the Database. They get their DNA info from AKC registered animals.
  2. Alan

    Alan Banned

    That I didnt know. I find it all interesting though.
  3. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    I will find out the website at work tomorrow. And as we all know APBT are not AKC. Only AM Staffs are.
  4. tommyt

    tommyt Puppy

    If I have heard correctly, there is no actual way to determine what breed a dog is or what it is mixed with through DNA at this time.

    I believe what the AKC is talking about is the same thing that the ADBA offers which is an option to register your dog's DNA with the registry. This allows you to prove parentage. However, it does not allow you to distinguish between breeds.
  5. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    No there is a test available now through company. I will get the website tomorrow at work.

    this is not the company that came into my job but here is a link to one that offers the service. So TommyT it is available


    Here is another one


    And the list of breeds it recognizes

  6. tommyt

    tommyt Puppy

    I had no idea! Thanks for the information. I hope this becomes cheap and accurate enough to be used in dog attacks to show their genetic makeup. Maybe that will lessen the amount of incorrect labeling of breeds in those cases.
  7. babyblues

    babyblues Little Dog

    ok, guys please....lol! i'm still a newbie here, don't chew me up here, just talk me through it here, here we go...
    Shadow was bough from a breeder in Oklahoma, he has papers, legit papers, my husband and I are known owners on the ped, we paid for the 7 generation ped. NOW my question is how do you know what to call your dog (ped wise) for example, alot of people ask what is he? other people say Bourdreaux or Colby...right? on the ped paper, what generation are you looking at? the Grandparents or the further down the line? I hope you all understand what I'm trying to say cause, I know what I mean but I don't know if I'm asking it correctly.
  8. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    That would be nice huh? But I am not sure how accurate it is.
  9. Palamino

    Palamino Little Dog

    A pedigree is only as honest and as reliable as the person who writes it. Delve into the pedigrees of the legends of the past and of the dogmen who bred them and you will find controversy and deceit that will last a lifetime and NEVER be unravelled.
  10. tommyt

    tommyt Puppy

    If you can find a way to scan the pedigree and post it, I can help you figure out what lines your dog may consist of. You can also open an account with www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com and post it there.

    Also, the vast majority of people will call a dog a Colby dog or a Boudreaux dog if the name shows up once or twice. Just the appearance of a famous name in a ped does not make that dog from that line. To truly call a dog a name such as Boudreaux, the dog needs to be bred specifically from that line for pretty much every generation.
  11. babyblues

    babyblues Little Dog

    OOOO ok I see now...Thanks tommyt, I get it now, but I still need to scan it for you guys cause on the father side it's mostly all Thomason's but on the mother side it has different breeders, not just a main one, so it get's confusing, Thanks though I'm starting to understand better now.
  12. tommyt

    tommyt Puppy

    I am not familiar with Thomasons at all. It may not be an established line and actually just be the name of a breeder. Or it may just be some show line I don't know of. If I saw a ped from peds online I should be able to figure out what it consists of though.
    If the dam side has a lot of breeders, that more than likely means that the dam side is scatterbred.
  13. babyblues

    babyblues Little Dog

    when I get to scan it I'll be sure to send it your way..Thanks for your help.
  14. Alan

    Alan Banned

    What you are looking at is the bloodline (Boudreaux, Carver, Colby etc.) that shows up the most in the 6 generation pedigree. If three parts were pretty much equal you would say my dog is 1/3 Caver, 1/3 Colby and 1/3 Boudreaux for example. Sometimes you have to dig deeper into the history of the pedigree to find a bloodline which people are familiar with.

    For example, Colby is a household name. Let's say someone who lives in your area named Jones started a kennel. Let's say they purchased pure Colby dogs. For the last 20 years they have been breeding dogs. All of their dogs would know be known as Jones and it would be known as the Jones bloodline. Now perhaps this Jones person is a reputable breeder and has a reputable kennel but maybe he is only well known in your area. If you were to dig deep into the pedigree and find that these Jones dogs all originated from the Colby line and the line hasnt been outcrossed with any other bloodline, you could tell people you had Colby dogs. I hope that makes sense.

    At one time, Wildside Kennel could do 10 and (I THINK) 20 generation pedigrees. I dont know if they still do that or not. That was years ago.
  15. babyblues

    babyblues Little Dog

    well on the sire part Thomason still pops out but damis scattered, she has holt's, castillo, skinner's, queens, ellis, & the were bred like 2-3 times with the same breeder name
  16. Alan

    Alan Banned

    I havent heard of any of those (which isnt a bad thing) because Im not an expert. What registry is it, meaning UKC, ADBA, or ?
  17. babyblues

    babyblues Little Dog

    He's registered under ADBA, he also has Finley and Castillo, those I've seen, I've been looking around & doing google searches but it's really making me nuts..lol.
  18. tommyt

    tommyt Puppy

    Getting an account with APBT pedigrees online will be a great help in learning how to read pedigrees and learning what lines some of these names come from.

    I also wanted to add that a breeder can breed from a certain line for a few generations and it can come out very different from the original line. There are a lot of breeders that claim to have dogs from ____ lines and they actually are disgraces to the line. However, there are times when the line can be improved. It just depends on how good the breeder is.

    Here is a link to a pedigree on peds online:


    As you can see, this dog is a Sorrells dog with a Carver outcross in the 3rd generation through Redman. You can find out that this outcross is Carver by clicking on the dog's names and continue to click on each of the preceding dog's ancestors. This allows you to see what lines makes up certain dogs.
  19. XXX

    XXX Good Dog

  20. babyblues

    babyblues Little Dog

    hey thanks, but why would you call her maverick? it comes up once in the breeding?
    It's sooo confusing....i'll eventually get it.

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