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Bin Laden is dead?

Discussion in 'Controversial Topic Discussion' started by pampam22, May 1, 2011.

  1. BILLBKLYN

    BILLBKLYN Good Dog

    FM how is my saying "based on my life experience" the funniest part of my thread? I don't know who you are, what you do/did for a living, what kind of life you lead, correct? Well the same can be said about me, what I do for a living , and-most importantly-what it entails. So yes, I do come in contact with the muslims frequently and unfortunately 90% of the times it is in a negative light. That is why I say based on my experiences, not yours or anyone elses. I was gonna write a longer response to I'm tired from being down at the WTC site all day (work related) so there will be no witty retorts today.

    Now, on an unrelated note, I'll say it again: OBL needed to be stuffed into a pig carcass with sausage and bacon shoved down his throat and a boar's corkscrew cock up his ass. Fuck him. This is an attack on him, not the muslims in general. (Gotta say that disclaimer to keep Pravda happy).
     
  2. Gatorpit

    Gatorpit Good Dog

    If you saw his address, he sure made a point to emphasize the words "I" "me" and "my" in regards to the mission. Kept saying that HE put together the team, that HE made all the calls and decisions>

    HE did nothing except go back on his promise to his constituents by leaving the "things" put in place by the Bush administration that he promised to abolish.

    Gitmo being one of those things, interrogation being another, and the special force team that has been active in the affected area for the past 10 years.

    It was Gitmo that held the prisoner that was interogated via "controversial" methods that gave the name of the courier that the army and defense tracked for a number of YEARS that led them to discover Osama's hideout, and it was that special forces team that executed the raid.

    Again, Obama did NOTHING to make this come about save NOT uphold his promise to abolish these very things that gave us Osama's head (so to speak.)

    Also, it is now being said that the attack occured the same night as the address, not a week prior as had been reported.

    The story and facts keep changing.

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    Not once did he give any credit to the military, to the dept. of defence, or to any of the folks responsible for gathering intelligence. It was all HIS doing according to him.
     
  3. Obed

    Obed Good Dog Premium Member

    I am not an Obama fan, I want him out of office as soon as possible, no second term... but he did this right... he listened to what his advisors told him, he relied on the right folks and made the decision that needed to be made...
    as far as what is made public... hell I do not believe a lot of what they are releasing in the way of info... and I think that is a good thing...
    did Pakistan know we were coming in... who knows... and that is the way it should be.. maybe we got full co-operation from them.. but it might cause them a lot of grief if that were known... we have terrorist threats, we have security levels... they have the terrorists in their country....so even if they did know, even if they did help, it might not be good for them to have it known....are we not smart enough to realize that some things are better left unsaid... we are so worried about our right to know that we sometimes forget that everything we know in the general public, the bad guys know too... and that is not always a good thing...maybe I feel different about this because I have been there done that, but it is what it is.. and in this thing.. I say kudos to Obama...
     
  4. Prophecy

    Prophecy Good Dog

    Because it sounds ''fishy''.That's why.No body-no proof.The 'body' of Bin Laden was 'conveiniantly' buried at sea.Gee,that does sound kinda off. People can say ANYTHING,it does not mean that it is true.PROOF with a dead body sitting there,DNA/fingerprints the body is that person confirmed is proof. Forgive me but I am not someone who blindly trusts our goverment(or anyone,for that matter),like most of the ''sheeples'' out there.Saying you have these things can be B.S. too.People lie to makes themselves look better or avoid trouble all the time.I doubt it is any differant in applications here.

    FYI:Al queda could have said that so he was no longer HUNTED and could still lead his followers. Just a thought.
     
  5. 6pack1%er

    6pack1%er Good Dog


    yeh found out soon after,,,no pics ,no proof, no body, I don't believe it. I want real proof, or is obama going to wait until the next election to show us the proof. He does seem to have a thing for it..
     
  6. Username!

    Username! Little Dog

    Once again Obed nails it!

    Prophecy - I also never blindly trust our gov or anyone either. But its only been about 1 day and they still may release pics as well as other proof. We have no idea what proof they have yet. They supposedly had a video and audio feed of the whole thing. It's far to early for the conspiracy therapies yet (and I'm not knocking people that believe in conspiracies cause I believe a couple myself).

    Supposedly they're still trying to figure out if it's the correct move to release pics. However can you understand how if we released a picture of a murdered and bloody Bin Laden that may cause some serious unrest in the world.

    The burial at sea thing is odd but maybe it has to do with that they don't want his followers to try and get his body back. Maybe they just said they buried it at sea so nobody would really know where it's at. From what I understand we asked Saudi Arabia if they would take his body but they didn't want it. And rightfully so because wherever that body was could turn into a hot spot for terrorists or retribution.

    It's kind of odd that you aren't someone who blindly trusts our government yet you haven't mentioned anything along the lines that much of what they're saying could be a disinformation campaign. For instance they say we didn't tell Pakistan about this until we were out of their country. This just seems odd to me. They most likely had to shut down or block radar which you would think involved someone in the Pakistani gov. or military. There was huge a Pakistani military base about 400 yards from Osamas compound; is it really possible that they didn't notice anything until it was too late? If Obama comes out and says "Pakistan helped us locate or kill Osama" that would definitely cause major major problems in Pakistan.

    You say, "People lie to makes themselves look better or avoid trouble all the time.I doubt it is any differant in applications here."
    Not sure what you're implying here, could you explain? Are you saying Obama faked Bin Ladens death so he could look better. Cause that seems a little far fetched to me.

    Gatorpit - you said, "Again, Obama did NOTHING to make this come about save NOT uphold his promise to abolish these very things that gave us Osama's head (so to speak.)"

    What do you mean "Obama did NOTHING to make this come about"?

    Of course he did! He choose to have a seal team go in versus just sending in some drone strikes. He had many tough decisions to make. I just heard Condoleezza Rice say, "Obama really took on the mantle of commander in chief and the war on terror."

    You mention, "The story and facts keep changing."

    Of course they are. The stories and facts about 9/11 are still changing and that was 10 years ago; the stories and facts about history change as we get new info and insight. We just did a covert operation that killed Bin Laden 1 day ago in an extremely corrupt nation with nuclear weapons. Do you honestly think it would be the correct thing to tell the whole truth here without going through everything to make sure we don't give up any assets? They need to keep their intelligence assets safe and other assets possibly in the Pakistani gov/military or even in Al Qaeda safe.

    You said, "Also, it is now being said that the attack occured the same night as the address, not a week prior as had been reported."

    Where are people getting this info? Are they coming from credible sources? I have watched all the channels since Obamas address and I've only heard that it happened on Sunday at around 4 in the afternoon.

    Of course "he sure made a point to emphasize the words "I" "me" and "my" in regards to the mission" because he's the Commander in Chief and just made one of the biggest decisions in the past 10 years involving the murder of Americas most wanted man. On top of that it was a ballsy decision to go in there with seals instead of just sending in a drone strike.

    You say, "HE did nothing except go back on his promise to his constituents by leaving the "things" put in place by the Bush administration that he promised to abolish."

    It would be very naive to believe everything someone running for President says. It's very easy to campaign and say what you would do in a certain circumstances but it's a completely different thing when the world is actually in your hands and every decision you make could make or brake the free world. Once he got in office he was probably briefed on things that would make me or you shit our pants hourly. This has to be the most challenging job in the world and definitely the most stressful; give the man credit where credit is due.
     
  7. Gatorpit

    Gatorpit Good Dog

    On the night it happened the news was reporting the kill had been made a week prior...so it was prior to, and right after his address. It was the next morning over news radio that I first heard it had been changed to the same night.

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    And yes, he DID make the final calls, but in his address, he NEVER once gave any credit to any other entity. And he kept saying specifically that HE put the team together. He did NOT put it together. It had been together and in action for 10 years.

    I do not disagree with the action taken, I disagree with the self agrandizement of his address.
     
  8. Username!

    Username! Little Dog

    I've only heard that it happened on Sunday at around 4 in the afternoon. That being said; do you honestly think it would be the correct thing to tell the whole truth here without going through everything to make sure we don't give up any intelligence assets?

    You say, " He did NOT put it together. It had been together and in action for 10 years." You or me honestly have no ability to know what he did or didn't put together. He made some bold decisions and should be congratulated for making the calls he made which lead to the killing of Osama.

    You "disagree with the self agrandizement of his address". But that's unfortunately what politicians do. So i guess you aren't a big fan of Trump?

    However Obama did say, "Over the last 10 years, thanks to the tireless and heroic work of our military and our counterterrorism professionals, we've made great strides in that effort."

    And, "Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread to ground. I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan. And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice."

    And, "A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. No Americans were harmed. They took care to avoid civilian casualties. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body."

    And, "I've made clear, just as President Bush did shortly after 9/11, that our war is not against Islam"

    And, "But it's important to note that our counterterrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding."

    And, "Tonight, I called President Zardari, and my team has also spoken with their Pakistani counterparts. They agree that this is a good and historic day for both of our nations. And going forward, it is essential that Pakistan continue to join us in the fight against al Qaeda and its affiliates."

    And, "Tonight, we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who've worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome. The American people do not see their work, nor know their names. But tonight, they feel the satisfaction of their work and the result of their pursuit of justice."

    And, "We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation, for they exemplify the professionalism, patriotism, and unparalleled courage of those who serve our country. And they are part of a generation that has borne the heaviest share of the burden since that September day. Finally, let me say to the families who lost loved ones on 9/11 that we have never forgotten your loss, nor wavered in our commitment to see that we do whatever it takes to prevent another attack on our shores."


    So this statement you made is totally false, "he NEVER once gave any credit to any other entity". He gave credit to every single entity that he could name.

    Here's a link to the Transcript Transcript: Obama announces the death of Osama bin Laden - CNN
     
  9. WhitePitBull#1

    WhitePitBull#1 Little Dog

    Sorry but this is one weak post, what do we do with Bin Laden and other Al Qaeda leaders?Don´t mess with them because that´ll make their followers angry!GMAFB!
    You show strength and resolve against your enemies not fear, don´t be a pussy, man up!

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    Some of you Obama haters are just unbelievable, I was an Obama supporter but have since soured on him for various reasons but give the man props for killing the leader of an attack that killed thousands of Americans, get your heads out of your GOP butts and join America in celebrating that evil prick´s death.Can´t do it because it wasn´t a rightwing president that made the call to end that asshole´s life?

    Wow, talk about un American...

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    yeah, Obama can´t do anything right:no2:

    So Obama should´ve said he had nothing to do with the mission to kill OBL even though every report out there says he was heavily involved and made the call to put a bullet in that miserable fuck´s brain...HE IS THE COMMANDER IN CHEIF, HE MAKES THOSE DECISIONS FOR FUCK´S SAKE...
     
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  10. Gatorpit

    Gatorpit Good Dog

    Not a fan of ANY of them.

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    But HE didn't do all of the things he claimed to do. That's all I'm saying. HE didn't "put the team together" as he stated in his speech.

    He should have used the word "we" significantly more often than he did... that's all.
     
  11. 6pack1%er

    6pack1%er Good Dog

    I suggest pulling your head out of your ass and take a trip to reality....
     
  12. Obed

    Obed Good Dog Premium Member

    Ok, lets not get to silly on this....face the facts on how these type of actions go, and how they get there...
    as I have already stated, I am NOT an Obama supporter, I did not vote for him last time and will not vote for him in the future... but in THIS case I have to say the man did his job and from all we know, did it right and did it well...
    some simple truths...
    Did he plan the operation...NO, that is not his expertise, but he relied on the folks who do have the expertise... in other words, they did their job, he did his....
    Did he form the team that did the job... well...NO not really, again that would not be his expertise, it is not something he should be doing...
    The operation was actually planned by folks who do that for a living, who are good at interpreting data...
    The movement of the troops, the weapons used, the plan on the ground was all put together by folks who do that for a living, Obama had nothing to do with that...
    Once a plan was formulated and the men picked... they went thru mock-ups and and evaluated the risks and the rewards...
    then that information was given to Obama, and it was totally his call... he would take the heat if it went south.. and that is a fact...
    He then had the total and individual responsibility to say either go or no go...
    he had the balls to say go...
    so yes he should get the credit, just as he would have gotten the blame if it did not work....
    should this operation be a sole consideration for voting for him or against him.. well obviously since I have already said I would not vote for him, and I said that I think this operation was a success and he should get the credit, then my answer would be no
    as to what we the public know or don't know.. well in truth now is not the time for us to know...too much is at risk... the time will come...and probably by then most of you will not care...
    the public does not yet even have all the facts from the Vietnam war.. and not sure they need to...
     
  13. Username!

    Username! Little Dog

    yeah but...... He's a Kenyan Fascist Socialist Muslim that was indoctrinated by an extremist black church. He was educated in madrasahs as a child and had bad grades his first year in college. Then he cheated his way into Columbia University. From there he conned his way into Harvard to become the President of Harvard's Law Review and graduated magna cum laude..... Oh yeah and he's not really an American citizen!!!!:p

    It's funny... he's done a lot of questionable things(as well as a some good things) but this is how the republicans hold the guys feet to the fire. It's honestly shocking to me.:eek:
     
  14. Obed

    Obed Good Dog Premium Member

    not sure what republicans you are talking about here... not the party... they will wait at least a week before they begin to attack him.. maybe longer.. right now, all the big names are giving him his due.. when they think the time is right, they will go back to politicing....the election is a ways off yet.. they have plenty of time to see the good feeling over this degenerate ....
     
  15. 6pack1%er

    6pack1%er Good Dog

    I would still feel the same way if it was a republican in office. Show me the damned photos.
    Hell I didn't like Bush as a president, I don't like Obama as a president and unless Ron Paul is elected, I probably won't like the next guy either...
     
  16. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Well, sure....it's easy enough to compartmentalize....easy enough to give him his due in this regard (which I do) and not lose sight of the other things which I DON'T give him due....

    Carla
     
  17. Jamielvsaustin

    Jamielvsaustin Good Dog

    I have conflicted feelings on this.

    A part of me that feels really pissed off is the use of "we". "We got that bastard", "we killed him", "we did it"! (not in reference to anyone here, just in general)

    ...really!?!?

    We?

    Did "we" shoot him? Have "we" ever put on a uniform? Have "we" ever been overseas? Did "we" ever even remotely put ourselves in harm’s way for our country? "We" didn't do shit, but bitch, moan and complain. Half (general term) the people cheering for it are the ones that are pissed about our military members being in other countries. Some are people who HATE Obama-and not in the same way Obed feels about him. They just hate the idea of him-until he does something they think is awesome.

    Other Obama haters will always find fault but he did exactly what his job description entails-take in information from every expert in the field pertaining to this and make an overall decision.

    This is where I go back and forth, because I truly understand how monumental and historical this is. But it makes me feel ashamed. It shouldn't be a big deal because it's only a small piece of what we need to do. I don't think we should be hooting and hollering, celebrating and dancing in the streets. I think it makes us (as Americans as a whole) look childish. Yes we should be happy and feel proud, but that's it. Check it off the list and move on. This is such a small piece of rock off of a huge boulder that we need to chisel down. (sorry, bad explanation I know, but you get the point)--It makes me think about Japan during the tsunami, were they looting and losing their minds? No, they were getting what needed to be done, done. We should have that same mind set.

    Something else I know will happen, the guy who got the shot. He'll never tell a single soul. Neither will the guys that were with him. But there will be 100s of idiots saying they did it...without even realizing the disrespect they're showing the individual who did it. Not even realizing what they're taking away from him, how they're lessening what he had to do.

    There are people who feel we should feel bad that "a person" died. That they won't rejoice in his death, but the death of his deeds. Bullshit, I will. He was less than a person, more like a disease or a virus. He infected many and ruined a lot of lives around him. He was below the lowest of low a living being can be.

    I personally think that they'll show pictures/video/whatever. Especially since recently Obama felt he needed to share his birth certificate. I think it's in his personality. I think they'll wait a while before doing it, both because of the logistical part (pretty much what Obed said) and because the longer they drag it out, the longer that is the top story.

    I also think there will be retaliation. I have no idea on a time line. I don't know if some crazies will get together and put a plan together really quick and do something. Or if it'll be a long drawn out, lots of thought and people involved kind of thing, but I think it's coming. And either now or later will affect us greatly. Right now everyone is too high on celebrating to pay attention. Later everyone will have let their guard down.

    I'm worried about my friends overseas. :(
     
  18. Fieldmarshal

    Fieldmarshal Big Dog

    Its humorous because, you have yet to tell us what these experiences are, given that you choose to participate in the discussion about Muslims. All you have shown us so far are a few youtube vids. Which leads us to believe that is all the level of experience you have in the matter, especially considering the fact that you have yet to show any sort of intellectual knowledge about anything Muslim related, when you claim you have many life experiences that legitimizes your views on Muslims.

    You have to agree, anyone can make up any sort of claims about their life experiences, we all can say the same. And yes you can use experience in debates, but they have to be the right kind of experience related to what your saying. You say, most muslims support all these terrorists nut jobs, and you say you have personal experience that makes you believe this, ok then tell us what this personal experience was.

    It was explained the only reason they buried him at sea was because no one wanted to take the body, no nation wanted bin ladens body buried in their country. And since there is no way they were bring it back to the US, for obvious reasons, And they got they could have gotten out of the body, like positive ID, it was the only logical choice.

    U.S. Navy: - Washington Times
    They HAVE the body, they didnt say they just killed him, but have his body, and ID him not just with DNA, but other methods too, even facial identification with one of his wives, before burying him. Just because they have not released the pictures of the body and the other evidence does not mean they don't have it, they did say they were debating if and when to release all this info.
    Then, Al-queda would have said this ten years ago.
     
  19. Username!

    Username! Little Dog

    Obed - Your post #92 pretty much sums it up. I was going to actually use the Vietnam war as an example as well.

    Regarding your last post. I was actually talking about some republicans in general not necessarily just ones in office or running. There are people like Rush Limbaugh making fun of the whole situation, mocking Obama and giving all the credit to Bush; as well as plenty of other individuals that call themselves republicans questioning if this even really happened.

    But Palin did make a speech about the death of Bin Ladin where she didn't even mention Pres. Obama. Kind of odd???

    She said, "Their courage and their determination brought us justice,’ ‘They know that freedom isn’t free. It’s a God-given right and worth fighting for.’ Palin never mentioned President Obama by name... instead saying, ‘We thank President Bush for having made the right calls to set up this victory.

    She's basically using the same logic as Rush. They're trying to assert that it was Bush that really deserves the real credit and Obama did nothing and he just lucky. It's foolish just like them. They shouldn't be taken seriously but unfortunately they are.

    Also when I was talking about the Repubs holding his feet to the fire instead of bringing up foolish gibberish I was also talking about trying to frame him as the " Kenyan Fascist Socialist Muslim that was indoctrinated by an extremist black church. He was educated in madrasahs as a child and had bad grades his first year in college. Then he cheated his way into Columbia University. From there he conned his way into Harvard to become the President of Harvard's Law Review and graduated magna cum laude..... Oh yeah and he's not really an American citizen!!!!"

    It's just plain disturbing and silly to me. The guy has done some pretty crazy sh!t. Maybe they should go after him on it instead of all the stupid politicking. But those real issues they should go over can't be explained in one bumper sticker slogan, so they don't even bother. The party has basically dumbed it down so much that it's starting to seem like talking to toddlers.

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    Good post Jamielvsaustin

    It sounds like you either are or have been in service. If my assumption is correct, thank you for your service. If your not; you still seem to get it. And that goes out to anyone else that put their life on the line for this country; whether I agree with your beliefs or not.

    It's interesting hearing it from that point of view and I also agree with it.
     
  20. WhitePitBull#1

    WhitePitBull#1 Little Dog

    give the man props for killing the leader of an attack that killed thousands of Americans.
    Who did Obama kill???? When??? The last I heard it was a SEAL from Team 6 that pulled the trigger and not Obama.......


    Can´t do it because it wasn´t a rightwing president that made the call to end that asshole´s life?

    Don't care if it was a dem or rep...
    If you don't show me proof then I won't believe it..




    he was heavily involved and made the call to put a bullet in that miserable fuck´s brain..

    And that is all he did, he only gave the go ahead and nothing else...
    I suggest pulling your head out of your ass and take a trip to reality....

    So for example when a mobb boss sends a thug to kill someone, the trigger man is the only guilty party, not the mobb boss because he didn´t pull the trigger, just gave the order...riiiiight.Real thoughtful logic there, bud.
     

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