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Big day for Sasha coming up. Not sure what to expect. Need some advice

Discussion in 'General Dog Discussions' started by SBTlove, May 10, 2010.

  1. SBTlove

    SBTlove Good Dog

    Hey Everyone,

    My dog Sasha is going to be going to doggy daycare for a day coming up in 2 weeks. Its a trial day. I was thinking of maybe sending her once a month to daycare. At first I wasn't going to let her do it. I'm scared she will get hurt. I mean at the dog park this little dog, couldn't have been more than 6lbs had her on the ground, on her back. She had her hears back and she was shaking. My husband came over and picked that dog up and moved it. And Sasha was able to get back up but the little brat did it to her again. We got Sasha and headed out the gate. The dogs owner was like "My dog rules the dog park and he is just showing her who is boss. You don't have to leave" and I said "No your little dog is terrorizing the other dogs and for him to continue to nip at and go for a dog that isn't trying to threaten his "dominance" a dog that just rolled over for him. Is not normal healthy dog behavior. It means you have a dog that thinks he can do what he wants and doesn't know boundaries." We left but really they should have left, that dog was terrorizing all the dogs there. All this to say she is super submissive and I'm scared if she comes across the wrong dog she could get hurt. Then again its a controlled and supervised environment. There have been so many changes in her life lately that I thought it might be good to maybe once a month get out and play with some new friends. She lost two canine family members earlier this year and even though she loves Trouble, he gets to her sometimes. She hasn't gotten to really get out and play as much with other dogs in months and she loves meeting new friends. So I thought it would be a good idea, but now I'm having doubts. She is the best dog I've ever had and with her recent back issue I'm scared she will get hurt. Then again the doctor says her back is fine now. I'll admit I'm protective of her. Its a trial day, if she doesn't like it or we aren't happy, she doesn't have to go back. But this could be really good for her. I trust this facility. I use them for boarding, I recommend their trainers to friends. Why am I having doubts. Its not even my dog I'm having doubts about, she is great with all dogs. Maybe its because I'm not going to be there to supervise, I have to leave her in the care of others?

    What would you do? Do any of you use doggy day care ever? Would you recommend it? Why or Why not?

    Thanks so much.
     
  2. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    I wouldn't use doggy daycare. I don't much trust other people with my dogs. I also would worry that an incident could happen while the staff was busy handling something else or chatting with each other or a customer. I think of doggy daycare as a dog park without even the owners there to control things.

    I would try to find some dog owners in your area or family and friends dogs and get together with them for controlled and supervised play if you really think your dog needs other dogs to play with. I use friends and family members dogs for play because I know them well, know their dogs and they understand the breed plays rough. I also get email from my trainer who hosts regular dog and seperate Pit type dog play parties. Anything liek that in your area?
     
  3. SBTlove

    SBTlove Good Dog

    We used to get together with friends dogs and stuff, but we haven't had the time in a long time. And 1 of her playmates died, another 2 moved away. She has 2 friends left and Schedules conflict a lot. And with the baby, I don't like taking her around a lot of dogs. Other than the daycare and dog parks, I'm not sure what there is in the area. We go to dog day events but they only do those 2 times a year. We are going to one Saturday. And I won't use a dog park anymore, that little rat, excuse dog, ruined it for me. We went a few more times but the dogs that were there, didn't have half the training my dog does and were jumping all over people and such. I don't like dog parks because there are too many untrained/unsocialized dogs there. I take them to a relatives house to run offleash because we don't currently have a yard, a few times a week. They have a dog but she is getting up there and years and can't keep up with my two, they don't let her come out anymore because she gets to excited. So we have 2 canine friends at the moment. Sasha is the largest dog of her friends, she has a good friend that is a Chihuahua/Dachshund mix and one that is a Bichon mix. The one that passed away was a Manchester, and the two that moved one was a Boston Terrier and the other was a Pug. In the family there are a lot of poodles, but no one wants her playing with them because of her size. They are afraid she will hurt them. I'd be more afraid of them hurting her well not literally hurting her, maybe annoying her, only because they aren't socialized at all and two are little napoleons.

    I have got to find her some new friends atleast. If I don't do doggy daycare, how do you suggest I go about finding dog play groups or something like that?
     
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  4. magdalena

    magdalena Good Dog

    I'd never use it, I can barely plan a trip if I know I have to board but I am a control freak with my dogs. I have my own doggie day care right at home, me taking care of Puck. :D

    Dogs don't NEED dog friends, they need human leadership within a structured pack and that human should be who they look to for fun and exercise.
     
  5. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    Maybe try Craigslist? I have seen people posting on our local pet section for dogs to play with. A month or so ago there was alady who owned a Dane looking for tough (physically) or large dogs to meet and pay with her dogs. She wanted to get a regular group going. I thought it was a neat idea.
     
  6. omgrobyn

    omgrobyn GRCH Dog

    I worked at a dog daycare for quite awhile. I wouldn't recommend it. I only took my dogs there because I could for free, and I was there to supervise them, plus they were still puppies. And I didn't want them spending 12 hours in a crate until I got home.

    After my boss kept bringing her highly DA (and also rather HA) pit bull mix, and putting her in rooms with my dogs (even when I politely told her I didn't want my dogs around hers), and she would just leave the daycare (and 10 minutes after she left, her dog would attack another dog), I stopped taking them.

    Lucy was attacked by a poodle there, both Lucy and Ethel caught viral pneumonia from a dog there, and dogs liked picking on Ethel. Some dogs got too rough with Lucy, and it almost turned into a full blown fight more times than I can count (which was why I was glad I was there to supervise them).

    Dog daycares are usually waaaay understaffed, over crowded, and the staff is overworked. Not to mention training at most of them is a joke (there's another one out here who's training consists of watching 20 hours of the Dog Whisperer). We usually had 3 people watching 40-50 dogs, and the owner would go over the limit the city gave us (which was 25 dogs).
     
  7. SBTlove

    SBTlove Good Dog


    Wow

    I am about to board my two at this facility I was thinking of doing daycare at again, maybe boarding is all we will do there. Especially if most daycares are like you described.

    By the way it doesn't surprise me that Lucy got attacked by a poodle. No offense to poodles, in my family they are the majority. I'm starting to think with all the poor breeding of many poodle out there that Dog Aggression is becoming a common trait. I know 4 poodles and all are aggressive toward other dogs. Never again will I own a poodle. Let me rephrase never again will I own a dog smaller than Sasha.

    ---------- Post added at 12:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:54 AM ----------

    Don't get me wrong I knew a lot of great poodles over the years but lately I'm seeing a lot of poodles that are Tempermentally Challenged. And that coupled with owners that don't know what they are doing is not a good combination. I think they need to start over with that breed. But that was a little off topic, sorry
     
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  8. kady05

    kady05 Krypto Super Dog

    Well, I'll be the odd one out ;)

    I take Wilson to day care once a week, every week, for half a day (so 6hrs.). Wilson sounds similar to your dog, as he is very submissive and loves everyone; I have yet to have any issues with him with any other dogs.

    The main reason I take Wilson to this specific place is that it's run by one of the leaders of our local Pit Bull group, so she knows the breed very well. Dogs are crated when it's not 'play time', so there's no risking anyone getting into it without supervision (dogs are supervised at all times when they're out). The take the time to group the dogs together based on their energy levels, etc. It's also not a large facility; there are generally no more than 10 dogs there at a time. Once the crates fill up, they're 'closed' and no more dogs come in.

    I feel totally comfortable leaving Wilson there (and at $8, it's worth it!). He comes home totally exhausted, and LOVES going. His best friend there is a male Great Dane :)
     
  9. SBTlove

    SBTlove Good Dog

    My thing is it would be nice to have atleast 1 day a month of quiet, I was hoping if daycare worked out to maybe make it a once a week thing. To send the dogs somewhere and be able to get things done spend time exclusively with my child. I feel like I don't get enough time with her because I'm dealing with dogs. I'm exhausted most of the time as well from the dogs. I have 2 dogs and an infant. Thats my big motive. Can Sasha get on without doggy friends, yes. Can Sashas human mommy keep going at this rate? Yes but not effectively. Sasha is great but Trouble is a handful. And the two together is wearing on me. So my big motivation was one day a month atleast to rest. Daycare is 12 dollars a day. I feel that is a small price to pay for a day of peace. I was going to start her out and then hopefully once trouble is done working with his trainer send him too. No they don't need dog friends, though they enjoy playing with other dogs. I need a break. I know this sounds really bad, I'm looking forward to my vacation at the end of the month, which is only a weekend, because its 2 days without dogs. I have not been away from my dogs in over 2 years. I have not had time away or time to rest they always traveled with us. They are out of puppy stages so I'm thankful for that but I can't wait to go out of town. I get a longer vacation in September and I really look forward to that. I need to reenergize and recharge my batteries. I love my dogs but I'm long overdue for a much needed break.
    I can't keep getting in a rutt like this, that is my main reason for looking into daycare. This will eventually affect my daughter and I can't have that.

    ---------- Post added at 12:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:18 PM ----------

    Life will be so much easier when I have a yard for them to play in but we are atleast a year off from that. It would have been done by now, but we got affected by the economy, I was laid off and now I'm a stay at home mom and my husband had to take a pay cut, so its a slow process.
     
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  10. Cloudk

    Cloudk Puppy

    They don't NEED dog friends, but if your dog likes dogs, it sure is fun for them to have doggie friends!;) I know mine LOVES all her dog friends. Wiggles all over the place like a nut when she sees em'. Only had one problem. A nip at him, not a fight or scuffle. Made a great dane friend a few days ago, she can fit UNDERNEATH him! She runs, plays tag, barks, and all the other funny things they do when happy. I used to be worried about her making friends. Just cause of the pit in her. But... Alas, here i am with a dog loving pit. I keep an eye open, but I'm not gonna obsess over it. She's been attacked (before i got her), and she escaped the two neighbor dogs (an irishwolfhound, and GSD) on her own. But I'm not all for doggie daycare. Its a dandy idea, but as said, the employees are often untrained, overworked and there's alot of what-ifs. If i was you, i'd probably hunt around for a small, uncrowded one. If a dog attacks my dog, I know she can and would defend herself. But it sounds like you're dog probably wouldn't. And who knows if those people are even WILLING to break up a scuffle, or stop a dog from picking on your's. But, never know til you try! I was gonna take Luna to doggie-daycare, but then I learned I'm moving to CA, so no time to take her. But she would've run around, made friends, kept away from those who were negitive to her, and she would've come home poopered:) I'd find a place where you felt more comfortable with the staff. Ask them what training they have. If it's 20hrs of the dog whisperer, then don't go there. Love the guy, but most fail at it, and just cause problems. If you go to a place, and the people have had 20yrs experince w/ dogs, I'd feel better about that one. Good luck!
     

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  11. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    Any chance of a friend minding the dog(s) for the same fee? If you decide to do doggy daycare then I would look high and low for something like what Kady described.
     
  12. SBTlove

    SBTlove Good Dog

    All my friends but 1 work and most of my family doesn't want Sasha in their house because she sheds. My family doesn't like dogs unless they are poodles. The couple that owns the place I was going to use has had their daycare and boarding facility for 10 years. Their staff that take care of the daycare are also their dog trainers, for their training classes. I'll look into them more. They are considered the best place in the area. I believe the daycare splits the dogs up in small groups of no more than 4 and the dogs are matched with dogs of similar temperment. Each staff member has no more than 4 dogs to look after. Thats all I know. They said I could stay and observe on that trail day for an hour or two. Maybe we will go and I wll observe, if I don't like what I see I'll take her on home the moment I see something I don't like.

    Now my friend that doesn't work that owns the dachshund/Chihuahua she may be able to keep them but I need to check her fence first.
     
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  13. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    That sounds a lot better than what I have seen and heard of the daycares around here.
     
  14. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    I agree with omgrobyn. I worked at a daycare for about a year and a half. It was hell.
    First of all, it is impossible to keep the place sanitary. As soon as you sanitize it, someone shits or pees on the floor.
    Also, there's not enough space. We had a lot of space, an indoor and outdoor area. But when you have 30 dogs, it's just not enough space, and you have a dog fight at least once a day- I'm not exaggerating.
    Also, don't believe them if they say they separate little dogs from big dogs. Sometimes incompetent workers believe it's fine for them to run around together, and then you have a HUGE problem. Or, the little dogs escape their area, or the big dogs escape there area.
    Most daycare places are understaffed- we regularly had a 30 to 1 dog to human ratio.
    It's a disgusting, stressful environment for the dogs. Many dogs would be better behaved BEFORE they went to daycare then when they left.
    There is no organized pack structure, which leads to a plethora of fights, and regardless of how experienced you are with dogs, it takes everything you have to break up a fight between a bullmastiff and a newfoundland, or a great dane and a bullmastiff and a standard poodle, hell even the golden retriever that fought with the jack russell was intense.
    I would NEVER feel safe taking my dog to a daycare, because there are just sooo many things that can go wrong. I would honestly rather board my dogs in a cage for a week than risk their health and mental wellbeing by taking them to a daycare.
    Oh, and don't listen to review that say they're the best- we were the 'best', and trust me, we were nowhere close.
    Sorry for my rant, I just really really really don't like daycares.
     
  15. SBTlove

    SBTlove Good Dog

    I haven't seen any reviews on the place, I just know what people I know that use them have told me about them. And what they have told me about them vs others in the area.

    But after hearing about this, I'm much more weary about it than before. May not do it. That is why I came here and asked to get personal insight from people who have done it because I was having doubts. I appreciate this. I will definately be investagating this a lot closer before I decide to send her or not. Thanks guys, you may have saved me from making a huge mistake
     
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  16. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    I'm just telling you what I've experienced first hand. Maybe that place is good. I don't know. The best thing I can tell you is go there unannounced so they can't put the bad dogs away and clean up the place. That way you can see it as it is.
     
  17. SBTlove

    SBTlove Good Dog

    Thats a good idea. When I went there to tour it the first time I just showed up. So I saw it as it was. Ofcourse at that point all I was interested in was the boarding area. But I saw the whole property. I may do that sometime next week to see the daycare specifically. Its 2 minutes down the road so.
     
  18. omgrobyn

    omgrobyn GRCH Dog

    Our daycare was the best, and all the dog owners thought it was too when in reality it was a total hellhole.

    I'd drop in randomly and unannounced a few times. Then spend a few hours there at the trial day. That would be the best way to figure out if it's worth it. Meet all the employees, and the owner if possible.

    "Many dogs would be better behaved BEFORE they went to daycare then when they left."

    That's so true. I saw so many dogs' training go straight down the crapper. My dogs started to get bad too, then I pulled them out permanently.

    I think the problem with poodles is people pamper, spoil and baby them too much. But that's also true of a lot of dogs.
     
  19. jadedpitgirl

    jadedpitgirl Puppy

    IMO, doggy daycare is just as bad an idea as dog parks. there are way too many varialbes throught the day, let alone the week, to determine wether your dog will become defensvie or aggressive towards other animals. not to mention the disease they could pick up and bring home to your yard, which you could possibly fight to get rid of for months (sometimes years)...all in all, a terrible idea.
     
  20. leilaquinn

    leilaquinn Good Dog

    I have worked at two daycare centers (both times helping out as I was the, or one of the, resident groomers) The first was as bad as some of these descriptions, maybe worse. Very disorganised, almost no breaks for the dogs, rarely were they even taken outside as they were so understaffed. There were some great dogs and some dogs that could have been fine seperated with the right playmates, and there were some dogs that had no business being there. All of these dogs were in one large indoor pen, the beautiful outdoor areas were for show (not on purpose, they just didn't have enough staff to take the time to move the dogs around) Very unsanitary, we had a lab that ate poop all day because there were so many dogs that we couldn't clean up after them quickly enough, she would vomit up poop at the end of most days. I quit my grooming job after two days covering for someone that worked in the daycare, I couldn't work for people that thought that daycare center was acceptable. I moved to another grooming shop/ daycare and had the exact opposite experience. Small, well thought out playgroups, plenty of staff. Another thing to think about is how rigorously they screen YOUR dog. If they will take your dog quickly easily, they will do the same with any other dog. They should be picky, and not afraid to say no. Good luck!
     

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