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Best Friends Animal Society

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by buddysmom, Mar 10, 2009.

  1. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    NC PrisonGuard had harsh words about them in another forum. For the life of me I can not figure out why. Anyone want to shed some light?

  2. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    My main problem with them isn't what they are trying to do.

    My main problem with them is that they don't seem to want to learn about the breeds they are caring for.

    Ex. They want to eventually pen some of the Vick dogs with other dogs.

    Why can't they accept that the APBT tends to have Dog aggression, and that it can't be trained out?
  3. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Yeah, I agree with that ... but it seems there must be something more to the story, to some people.
  4. Desertponder

    Desertponder Little Dog

    I have no idea why NC has such issues with BF and don't really care to learn.;)

    I'm guessing you were referring to this thread??


    Best Friends is a rather complex organization for a number of different reasons. Their approach to animal welfare and rescue has always been outside the box. As the once small commune environment has grown into a national and internationally recognized organization they have become more focused on assisting other rescues and shelters rather than concentrating so much on rescuing.
    I feel that many people misunderstand some of BF's motives and intentions. And really, unless you are close to the sanctuary and have worked with people there it can be difficult to understand some of their operations.

    It angers some people that BF is slowly moving away from taking in so many animals at the sanctuary. That is understandable. However, it is becoming increasingly difficult and costly for them to do so. They have to set a limit and stick to it. Unless you have been to the sanctuary, a person has no idea how remote it is. This makes for some challenges when it comes to adopting animals and its expensive for them.

    I know some people don't like what they are doing with the Vick dogs.
    There again, BF took on the Vick dogs as an experiment and study. They don't have all the answers and they are learning as they go.
    Unless you are close to the sanctuary you don't know half the efforts that BF has put into those dogs. They had to scramble and get new kennels erected to certain specs in order to house them. For most of the first year the dogs have spent there, BF could not allow the general public to have contact with the dogs. Visitors could only view them from a distance from the road running through the sanctuary. Only their assigned caregivers were allowed contact with them and volunteer caregivers were not allowed contact without the main caregiver being present. It has only been in the last few months that several of the dogs have been allowed to roam in the sanctuary offices amongst employees. Visitors can now make an advanced request to see several of the Vick dogs. So, my point is, don't think BF takes the Vick dogs and their rehabilitation lightly because they don't.
    They also have some pretty strict guidelines for adopting any of them when and if that time comes. Adopters have to agree to maintain contact with BF and the dog must be returned to them if for some reason they can no longer keep it.

    BF has its following and it has its share of people who dislike them, just like any other large animal welfare organization. I know employees that wholeheartedly believe in their mission and love their jobs and I know former employees that insist they are a racket just like all the others and they are doing more harm than good for animals. I live about 250 miles northeast from the sanctuary. BF is well known in my community because my town is one of the closest larger towns near the sanctuary. Most of the local shelters and rescues do not like them. Why?? Because they feel that BF functioning within our community takes away from their opportunity to place animals. BF often adopts out every dog they bring to adoption events while others may only adopt a few. On one hand I understand how they feel but on the other hand I don't get it and don't see what the big deal is.
    In my opinion their adoption counselors do a good job presenting themselves and the animals, certainly better than the other rescues that are present.;) There are a few things I don't like and agree with at BF but overall I feel they are pretty good and have a genuine desire to improve the lives of animals.:)
  5. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Yeah I understand the infighting between rescue groups. I attended a benefit adoption / awareness event in Manhattan and the snarkiness of the rescue orgs. toward one another was amazing. But they all compete for limited resources and it is understandable.

    I think some people are resentful of the fact that BF keeps the story going about the Vick case. I have also heard the argument that they are just doing it for the money and don't care about the dogs ... But clearly to me they do care ... Yes they are "milking it" to get money but that is not a bad thing as it allows them to help more animals in need.

    But not acknowledging DA ... that is pretty stupid and dangerous ... not just "unconventional." They could afford to be fussy with these dogs and stipulate that they go to single dog households but they failed to do that ... the very first adoption was to a home with another pit bull.

    That does send the wrong message to JQ Public, like the only way these dogs could be considered "adoptable" is if they could be taken to a dog park or something.
  6. simms

    simms Good Dog

    Tougher penalties earn praise

    Georgia's tough new dogfighting law is signed by Gov. Sonny Perdue.

    Wednesday, May 07, 2008

    ATLANTA --- Animal rights groups on Tuesday applauded a new law that toughens penalties for dogfighting in Georgia. And they credited Michael Vick -- the former Atlanta Falcons quarterback now serving time for running a brutal pit bull ring -- with making it possible.
    "He has brought such awareness to the issue. Michael Vick has been the best thing to happen to pit bulls for a long time," said Paul Berry, the chief executive officer of the Best Friends Animal Society, which helped write the Georgia law.

    Gov. Sonny Perdue signed the bill into law at a state Capitol ceremony Tuesday, flanked by two police dogs from Cobb County.
    "It's really barbarism," Mr. Perdue said of dogfighting. "It's dangerous, cruel and, for those of us who love animals and love dogs particularly, it's unconscionable," Mr. Perdue said.

    Mr. Perdue is a former veterinarian who owns two dogs.
    The new law takes effect immediately and makes it a crime to attend a dogfight or breed the animals for fighting. It also becomes illegal to possess a dog with the intent to fight the animal. That makes it easier for authorities to bust dogfighting rings because they no longer have to catch fights in progress.

    John Goodwin, the manager of animal fighting issues with The Humane Society of the United States, said Georgia's dogfighting laws had been among the weakest in the nation. The new law catapults the state from last among the 50th states in a Humane Society ranking of dogfighting laws to 20th, Mr. Goodwin said.

    "We are ecstatic that now law enforcement in Georgia will have the tools they need to take a bite out of dogfighting," Mr. Goodwin said.
    Animal rights advocates have been pushing for several years to beef up Georgia's laws. But they faced opposition from some state lawmakers from rural areas who worried the effort could restrict hunting dogs.

    Mr. Vick's involvement in the underworld of dogfighting changed that. He is serving 23 months in prison after admitting he helped run a dogfighting ring out of his Virginia home and executed dogs that performed poorly.
    "He certainly helped us put it over the goal line," the Georgia bill's sponsor, state Sen. Chip Rogers, R-Woodstock, quipped Tuesday.

    A sanctuary run by Berry's Best Friends Animal Society is caring for 22 of the dogs seized from Mr. Vick's home at a shelter in Utah.


    Here's good enough reason to not support this group. Bullsh8t legistlation!
  7. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    Unless I misread it, it says that the HSUS is behind all that legislation. Not BF, it just mentions that they took in some of Vick's dogs.
  8. simms

    simms Good Dog

  9. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    I figured I missed something. Thanks for clearing it up.
  10. Madeleinemom

    Madeleinemom MS Bites, My Dog Didn't Staff Member

    An issue I have with BF is the warehousing of animals.

    Granted, and in all fairness to the organization, I do not know how much interaction each creature in their care gets (interaction beyond feeding, etc.)., but that's where I have an issue, be it BF or any other sanctuary or rescue.
  11. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Madelinemom, I don't know either .. but I do know they are located on a huge, sprawling ranch-type of location, and therefore uniquely suited for their many species of rescues (horses, donkeys, pigs, rabbits, etc ...)
  12. jhuggins

    jhuggins Little Dog

    I have personally dealt with Best Friends and believe they are full of shi**. They will take in the high profile cases because that's what will get the $$$ flowing into them...do a little research, they are well know to offer to take dogs and then dump them elsewhere, or not take them at all...but let on like they did and accept donations towards a specific dog that is not even in their care...
  13. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    This is also my issue.

    I watched their t.v. show one time and heard the comment made that they had 14 volunteers. That's a lot I guess. But then again, when you have well over 100 dogs in your possession that are living their lives out at that facility, is it really fair?

    They are the first to speak out against those who do the "bare minimum" in keeping their dogs such as providing food, water, & shelter but give no interaction or love to the animal (or minimal interaction). Yet they have dogs living outside in pens with nothing but food, water, and igloos for dog houses.

    So I'm at a loss. Why is it ok for them to collect dogs in the name of "saving" them, but try to prosecute others who do it in the name of "owning" them?

    IMO they are a "do as I say, not as I do" group.
  14. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    The warehousing of animals is the problem I have with all rescues. BF just does it on a larger scale than most. The months, years and lifetimes of confinement is not right. And the attack dogs come out when one expresses the opinion that the dogs are better given a humane death than this kind of confinement.

    I believe "rescue" has actually increased the popularity of the breed; and it's "rescue", in many instances, which have become the go-to experts on the breed....

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  15. XXX

    XXX Good Dog

    Well I believe all my points about why I dislike Best Friends have been made for me in this thread... thanks :)

    They are money grubbing, they pat themselves on the back entirely too much, they want the high profile cases so they can bring in more cash donations, and last and most importantly they don't have a damn clue about the American Pit Bull Terrier. They took on the dogs as an "experiment".... also I hate the fact that they allow animals to live out their lives there. If a dog is ruled unadoptable for whatever reason be it something serious like human aggression or something stupid like animal aggression which they consider a flaw.... then put the damn thing down and move on to another dog that you can "help"
  16. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    I wholeheartedly agree.

    I'm really riding the fence on rescues. On one hand, I will often take in a rescue (usually "pit bull" types), BUT I have no qualms euthanizing a dog before I would even consider placing it into the wrong heads.

    And one other thing, I cannot find the article right now, but I did read that BF actually did kennel 2 Vick dogs to a kennel at first but "they kept fighting" so they had to separate them with the hopes of kenneling them together again. Sooooo.........."accidental" dog fights resulting in dogs getting injured at a rescue facility is also ok but truly accidental yard fights at an owner's homes is case for prosecution as a "dogfighter".
  17. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    And I would rather see a dog humanely euthanized rather than be forced to live out it's days with no true human interaction. 2 walks a week and someone dumping food and pouring water into bowls doesn't count. Just because a dog is alive doesn't mean it's living.
  18. Debbie

    Debbie Good Dog

    Very nicely put Mia ! ;)
  19. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    Some really good post in here. Really gets the gears in your brain going.
  20. Desertponder

    Desertponder Little Dog

    The warehousing of animals is definitely a heavily debated topic. I know some people are against it.

    This is one area that I feel BF needs to correct in their image.
    I don't think it is necessarily wrong for them to keep animals that are basically healthy but unadoptable. Most of the unadoptables they have are dogs that have HA or DA. The number of these animals they have is small compared to the number of animals they adopt out. The problem is people are getting the impression that they have hundreds upon hundreds of animals that are unadoptable. That's not the case.

    I don't get slamming BF because they are "money grubbing and back-patting." Last time I checked just about every other animal welfare organization out there does the very same.;)

    BF has more than 14 volunteers at the sanctuary. Much more than that. :rolleyes:
    Animals do get care and they do get attention. Staff Caregivers and regular volunteers are assigned a certain number of animals and they take care of those animals needs, food, water, play time, walks, training, vet care, and even burial if they should die.
    You have to remember, the show on Nat. Geo is a SHOW. Its meant to entertain. It has its share of fluff just like most any other show.:rolleyes:
    Personally, I don't agree with them doing the show Dog Town as I believe it is only serving to backfire on them. This thread is an example of that.:rolleyes:

    One of the main reasons BF is disliked by other rescues is BF's direction is changing and their focus is more about helping other rescues and shelters operate better. The problem with that is many rescues and shelters are not open to that help or advice. Another main reason is because other rescues are just plain jealous of BF's successes.

    BF has basically all new leadership in the last several years. Sure, things have changed and they are more $$ focused but I would not say they are much different in their goals or methods of acquiring donations than the other groups out there.

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