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Attention all Raw feeders *Important*

Discussion in 'Raw Food Diets' started by destinoscelgo, Jul 18, 2012.

  1. destinoscelgo

    destinoscelgo Good Dog

    Attention anyone that feeds raw meat pet food or manufacturers of raw meat pet foods...the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) is about to vote on a policy against the feeding of raw meat pet food. If you want to protect your rights to feed a raw meat pet food, I suggest you take action before this gets approved.

    Dr. Amy Nesselrodt - veterinarian - first alerted me to this serious situation. She shared that at an upcoming meeting (August 2 or 3, 2012) the AVMA Council on Public Health and Regulatory Veterinary Medicine will vote to create a policy to "discourage the feeding to cats and dogs of any animal source protein that has not first been subjected to a process to eliminate pathogens because of the risk of illness to cats and dogs as well as humans."

    Why would the AVMA initiate an official policy discouraging the feeding of raw pet food? What is this action based on?

    It took two phone calls, but I eventually spoke with AVMA media relations Assistant Director Sharon Curtis Granskog (early Friday July 13, 2012). She explained the policy would be voted on by the board during the early August meeting. I asked if any veterinarian that works for Big Pet Food is on that board; not to her knowledge. I asked for a list of name of those voting (to confirm no veterinarian of Big Pet Food was on this board). I asked for the contact information of someone for pet owners to write to in order to express their opinion on this proposed policy. She promised to provide that information to me by end of day (Friday July 13). No information. No information Monday July 17. I left another voice mail message with Ms. Granskog on Tuesday 7/18. No return call, no email.

    It certainly appears that the AVMA does not want pet owners involved in this decision.

    Since the AVMA didn't bother to provide contact information for pet owners to reply to - as they promised - the following is contact information taken from the AVMA website. If you would like to contact the AVMA and express your opinion on the proposed policy against the feeding of raw meat pet foods -

    1931 North Meacham Road, Suite 100
    Schaumburg, IL 60173-4360
    Phone: 800.248.2862 Fax: 847.925.1329

    Governmental Relations Division:
    1910 Sunderland Place, NW
    Washington, DC 20036-1642
    Phone: 800.321.1473, Fax: 202.842.4360

    General Email: avmainfo@avma.org (type in the subject line: AVMA Council on Public Health and Regulatory Veterinary Medicine)

    My opinion...(and my message sent to AVMA)
    AVMA, all meat is dangerous. We, pet owners - and you, the voting delegates of AVMA - take a risk each time you pick up a package of ground beef or chicken legs at the grocery. Raw pet food is NO more dangerous than any trip to the meat department of any grocery across the country.

    However, there is one significant difference...most all pet owners that feed a raw meat pet food are fully aware of the risk. They are educated pet food consumers and they understand the need to handle the food properly. Perhaps this is reason why there has never been an incident of human illness linked to a raw meat pet food. But to the contrary of raw meat pet food, there HAS been numerous cases of human illness linked to a kibble pet food (in the U.S. and in Canada). If your true basis of this policy is concern of human or pet illness, the AVMA would not be taking a stance solely against raw meat pet foods. There is no medical evidence, and further, science proves raw meat in the grocery, rare meat on the grill, raw meat pet food, and kibble pet food ALL pose a similar risk to humans and pets.

    Should you decide to pass the policy against raw meat pet foods, we (pet owners) will know why. It will be crystal clear. We'll know that Big Pet Food has bought and paid for this policy and your vote. Won't it be a sad day when a national veterinary organization proves they actually work for Big Pet Food instead of working to protect the health of animals.

    Added after original post: Here is the concern...When/if a national veterinary organization takes the public stance raw pet foods are dangerous, lobby organizations (such as PFI representing all the big kibble manufacturers) could take this 'opinion' to law makers. Their goal could be the future ban of all raw pet foods. Law makers, not knowing the truth about raw pet foods, would look solely at the opinion of AVMA and things could get out of hand quickly. Because there is no scientific foundation to base this policy on, and as well because the AVMA is seemingly trying to get this accomplished without much notice from pet owners (not responding to my queries) - I am very concerned there is more than meets the eye behind this policy.

    Wishing you and your pet(s) the best,
    Susan Thixton
    Pet Food Safety Advocate
    Author, Buyer Beware
    Co-Author Dinner PAWsible

  2. kady05

    kady05 Krypto Super Dog

    I just read this.. I'm not seeing how this really effects raw feeders? I buy most of my dogs food at grocery stores, they can't stop me from buying groceries LOL.
  3. destinoscelgo

    destinoscelgo Good Dog

    I think it will effect those that buy from co-ops and the like, and I was just talking about this with Amara, but the vets being against it, and if the law goes in place could claim it as animal abuse. That's my take on how it will happen anyway.
  4. Team Peanut

    Team Peanut GRCH Dog

    Hmmm I don't know how this could be enforced. My vet knows Peanut is raw fed and agrees with the diet.
  5. Stouthearted

    Stouthearted Puppy

    I don't think has anything to do with the law; it's simply a professional organization taking an official stand on one issue. All it means is that they will now have an official policy not to encourage people to feed raw food, whereas before there was no official stand. Raw feeders can keep on feeding raw, but if some legislator does decide to make a law against it (highly unlikely), they will be citing the AVMA as an authority in support of their position.
  6. LovePup

    LovePup Good Dog

    I also don't see how (IF) a city ordnance makes a law against raw feeding how they are going to in force it. I plan on Raising my own animals for Raw feeding As well as for family meals. Anyone ask, its for the family. :/ And like Kady said she buys her meat in the market. A lot of people feed their animals in their own homes also so... It sounds pretty stupid to me.
  7. Joey&Zoey

    Joey&Zoey Good Dog

    Yeup, just a scare tactic to target raw feeders as a whole. I just find it so hard to establish, that there could be a "law" to enforce whether or not, you choose to feed raw to your pets. Although, if something does pass as some sort of regulation, it could still be pretty ugly for us regardless. Apart of us raw feeders as a community, rely on these boards online to advice, show, and ask one another about the diet etc.

    They load up all our supposed human foods, with toxic chemicals and additives that show study after study after study, that it causes people to be ill and eventually die, yet they allow it to be ready for you to snatch it from the supermarket shelf, all these years and counting. These corporations that purposely make us and our pets ill by the foods being sold to us to eat, instead of our real foods, sadly have all this power until people start realizing that we need to stop consuming those toxic processed crap (supplying them the demand) because that's what their goal has always been. So of course, when they see people who don't run along the crowd of toxic consumers, they need to find a method of fear based hype, to prove that they're right with their products as the only "safe" way to go.

    So much bloody BS in this world we live in.
  8. Team Peanut

    Team Peanut GRCH Dog

    so i re-read this it sounds like it is not geared towards people who do their own raw meals but at the companies that do pre-made raw diets and sell them to the general public. as far as i know they are regulated the same as the kibble companies and i have heard of a lot of contaimination recalls from kibble companies and rarely hear of recalls from the pre-made raw companies.
  9. K9 Love

    K9 Love Good Dog

    More BS as others have said.

    Maybe if they focused more on regulating kibble companies, so many people wouldn't be driven to look for another option...

    I also take it from the wording that they're targeting people who buy premade raw, hence the "pet food" statement. I could be wrong though!
  10. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    From 2001:

    AVMA has always been on the "if it's not in a bag, it's a worry to veternarians" stance, this is nothing new.

    Honestly, I understand the concern. Many pet owners are unaware of the dangers they put their pet in when they don't know how to create a balanced diet. That said, at least in our practice, we have handouts of how to create 'prescription' diets without buying from a name brand (Hill's, Royal Canin, Iams) that the owners can make at home.

    I understand AVMA's concern with raw food. But I don't think they're hoping for any laws to be passed. I think they're trying to create a consensus of the issue. Whether their determination in the end is a valid or correct one, I don't know.

    Also, I'd like to ask, what study do you have to prove that no human or animal has ever become ill from a raw food diet? I feel like this is hyperbolized an impossible to validate. Perhaps it is a statement better left out of the argument. It would be better to simply say that there is always a risk when manufacturing food, including not only the packaging of raw food but also the manufacturing of AAFCO certified kibbles and canned diets (here is where you cite recall claims from manufacturers, including news articles etc. of people becoming ill from the kibble). Don't add anything you can't verify; that doesn't add to your case. What does add to your case is the numerous manufacturer recalls and true claims of human illness.
  11. Team Peanut

    Team Peanut GRCH Dog


    i can't give you any facts of people getting sick from raw diets. i don't even think they do studies on it because a lot of raw feeders don't even tell their vets what they are feeding because of the response some vets give (i am lucky my vet likes the raw diet). i can tell you as a raw feeder i used to be very afraid of food borne illness when i first started but now that i am used to it i am no longer afraid. I clean up everything as if i was making a meal for my family to eat i wash his bowl when he finishes and i am sanitary. I have not gotten sick since feeding him raw and i even get kisses from him on my face not long after he has eaten. I can only go by my own experiences and share those.

    Now to be fair. I never got sick when he was eating kibble either but i never fed him a brand that had a recall before or when I fed the foods to him with the exclusion of Nutro in the late spring 2008. even when i fed kibble i had practiced good house keeping when feeding him.

    honestly, i don't think there is a difference in raw feeding and kibble when it comes to germs it comes down to handling practices of both.
  12. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    My point was if you are going to argue something, it should be something verifiable and attributable to factual, unbiased data. Simply stating "there is no evidence of illness from raw food" is luring yourself into the trap of "well there's no evidence that raw food doesn't cause illness either". Thus, if you are going to argue, it is better to say, "based on recent and past recalls from manufactured consumer pet food diets (including citations from such manufacturer recalls and information on human infection- this information exists, especially due to people getting sick during the Diamond recall), it is the consensus of many pet food owners that we and our pets are safer eating food prepared at home".

    That's all I was saying. I'm not trying to argue either way. I'm trying to say, if you're going to argue, argue correctly.
  13. Team Peanut

    Team Peanut GRCH Dog

    well i think everyone is aware of the pet food side it is something often discussed here personally i didn't think it was something to go further into in this discussion because in the raw feeder world its just something most are already aware of.

    also i didn't think it was an arguement either way anyways on this topic just opinions but i suppose i could be just nieve.
  14. xchairity_casex

    xchairity_casex Good Dog

  15. Chapstickglue

    Chapstickglue Big Dog

    AVMA isn't something you can fight with... they do their own thing and make up their own rules (many of which are arbitrary) to make the veterinary field closer to human medicine. Let it go...they can't control what you feed your dog, they're just looking to control what vets tell you about what you're feeding your dog.
  16. BronsonBear

    BronsonBear Little Dog

    I find it sad that so many who feed raw just don't care that AVMA is promoting fear mongering and misinformation.
  17. GoingPostal

    GoingPostal Good Dog

    It's a load of bs, if the AVMA was concerned about disease or improper diets why wouldn't they have a stance against owning reptiles? Mice? Feeding store bought veggies? All are known carriers of disease and human food is recalled all the time for bacteria contamination as are commercial pet food and treats. Not to mention I home prepare raw veggies and fruits for my iguana and don't see them or anyone recommending I feed him kibble to make sure his diet is balanced. It's not like raw meat is the only thing that can carry bacteria.
  18. gigglymonkey12

    gigglymonkey12 Little Dog

    Lol try and stop me. Yeah like they can prove I don't eat 30lbs+ of meat a month. Oh well. It's not like they can close down all the butcher shops I get my meat from.
    Has this thing been solved? I just started Muff on the diet and he's doing so well...I don't want anything to get in his way of becoming a healthier dog.

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