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Are you a liberal?

Discussion in 'Controversial Topic Discussion' started by bostonitis, Feb 4, 2010.

  1. PitBullHappeningsRescue

    PitBullHappeningsRescue Rescue Moderator Premium Member

    Well a "Liberal Feminist" is a very broad subject. It isn't a black and white issue there's a lot of gray areas as well... Different individuals may think a Liberal Feminist is one thing while another group of individuals will think it's something completely different. I, personally, think no one answer can answer what your asking due to what I mentioned earlier.... too broad.

    Sorry about your luck. I do think it's crap to think that the majority treat women like you claim to have been treated. I think it's unfortunate that it happened to you but it's unfair to "assume" the majority is like that and to be quite honest women have come quite a ways when compared to the the 50's and before. It's something to be proud of.

    A separate note is, IMO, it seems like you're looking to debate this issue, so I think you mis-posted in chit chat ;)

  2. mgriff34

    mgriff34 Puppy

    first I would like to say i'm sorry you were harrasssed. I know the harrassment does happen but I do not belive that that majority of society supports or agrees with it.
  3. bostonitis

    bostonitis Good Dog

    I think there is confusion between radical feminism, liberal feminism, culutral feminism, and socialist feminism. I think this just shows how much people assume (i am not saying I am exempt) rather than learn. Just something I thought I would test out and see what people had to say. I also think anything involving liberal and/or feminism people think they know what it means and immediately panic. Do I consider myself feminist no less liberal feminist? No.
  4. PitBullHappeningsRescue

    PitBullHappeningsRescue Rescue Moderator Premium Member

    I agree! It's also happening more and more to men as well. I think it's happened for a long time but the men kept quiet about it...

    More men say they are sexually harassed at work

    Sexual Harassment in the Workplace

    "The majority of complaints come from women, however the number of complaints filed by men is
    increasing, along with increasing numbers of men filing against female supervisors. In 2007, 16% of
    complaints filed with the EEOC were filed by men. In a 2004 study by Lawyers.com and Glamour
    Magazine, 17% of men said they had experienced sexual harassment, and vs. 35% of women. A 2006
    government study in the United Kingdom revealed that 2 out of 5 sexual harassment victims in the UK
    are male, with 8% percent of all sexual harassment complaints to the Equal Opportunities Commission
    (Britain's EEOC), coming from men."

    ...and I'm sure the numbers are a whole lot lower whether you're a man or woman, that what reality actually is.
  5. bostonitis

    bostonitis Good Dog

    Yes, but at the same time does that mean women are any LESS harassed? If that is the number of men who do not report it imagine the number of woman who do not, most of my female friends are sexually harassed daily. I worked with a domestic violence shelter and collected data, I understand men do not report it sometimes does not mean that more than three fold women do not report it.
  6. mgriff34

    mgriff34 Puppy

    Well at least we got to the real issue
  7. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    I'm not liberal.

    While I am thankful for the feminist back who fought for what we can do today, I feel Many Modern Feminist are just insane and just seem to have some chip on their shoulder, and I feel they do more harm than good.
  8. bostonitis

    bostonitis Good Dog

    I agree radical feminism is too much, but I think liberal feminism is something most americans agree with although they are too afraid of the two words involved to understand.
  9. jsorrow

    jsorrow Big Dog

    ditto :)
  10. Obed

    Obed Good Dog Premium Member

    I do not see what you say you want as either liberal nor feminist...
    I see it as asking for your basic human rights not to be violated...
    if you associate that with a political leaning, it is not liberal nor is it conservative, it is more constitutionalist....
    remember conservatives pushed the patriot act, violating the personal rights of U. S. citizens of both genders... in this country liberals AND conservatives have done little to protect YOUR individual rights...
    It seems to me that labels like liberal and conservative do really apply across the board to lots of folks.
    I am labled a conservative by most folks, yet I do not fit the mold in a lot of cases.
    One example would be same sex unions... I am anti-homosexuality, but I am not anti homosexuals...
    I am against same sex unions and as a result, I would not be in one... at the same time I do not fit the conservative mold in that I do not believe that I should have any say in the life style of another citizen.
    So since I do not believe in same sex unions, liberals would call me a conservative, since I do not believe that I have the right to tell other folks what they can and can not do in this area, conservatives would call me a liberal, I am neither, I am a constitutionalist who believes in individual and states rights...
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  11. bostonitis

    bostonitis Good Dog

    Obed, you are attaching the political party definition of liberal to this. It is the fundamental concept of liberal, like you said conservative is not applicable in all aspects of belief. I dont consider myself true to either party as I can not be confined/forced to agree with everything a specific label means. If you are FOR women being socially and legally equal then you by definition are a liberal feminist...does that mean you are a radical feminist or liberal fiscally? NO! This little thread was to make people realize how much we all assume about everything, care nothing for hearing the truth, and tend to agree with things simply because associative labeling. :D Also please note I am not saying I am not guilty of this, but it is something I am working on recently.

    Also by the books does not equal reality- just because people SAY women are legally and socially equal does not mean they ACTUALLY are. Like I said before, it equates to saying a black man is president we arent racist anymore :celebrate: although everyone argues is he "actually" black or not...that is a whole different thread though :lol:
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  12. Fieldmarshal

    Fieldmarshal Big Dog

    When it comes to the govt, i am a conservative, when it comes to personal and social issues, i am very liberal.
  13. Obed

    Obed Good Dog Premium Member

    I am not a big fan of lables... and in terms like liberal feminist, while you may be correct about the actual definition of the terms, as they would be listed in a dictionary.. that is not how they are used by the public today, that is not the message someone gets when you use those terms, you may be meaning the dictionary terms combined, but you are not communication what you really are to the folks who read that title...
    and since the idea is to communicate what I think and believe.. I would never call myself a liberal feminist...
    I believe in the equality of men and women, I personally believe in God and in Creation.. so I believe that God created men and women as equal companions on this earth.. I belive that men and women may have different roles in life, but I do not believe that the role of man is of any higher value than the role of women,
    I do not believe in a double standard.
    I do not believe in a lesser value
    I believe in the intelligence and integrity of woman...
    but I still will not call myself a liberal feminist,, but you feel free to do so...
    you can lable me anything you want, as long as you know how I feel and believe about women...
    I hold no one or nothing above my wife
    she is not the most intelligent woman I know, she is the most intelligent human being I know...
  14. bostonitis

    bostonitis Good Dog

    I like the way you think ;)

    ---------- Post added at 03:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:58 PM ----------

    The way liberal feminism is described by section 35 of the APA- "womens psychology" is that liberal feminism means women are legally and socially equal....what society makes of it :lol: well we can see what that means :p Obed I think by the definition I described most people are liberal feminists just some are so terrified by the name they immediately deny anything. I am actually doing a lot of research on things I "always thought I would disagree with" hence me joining this site and asking about dog fighting. Sometimes you learn you are wrong and sometimes you are reaffirmed, either way I will no longer say "no I want no part but I dont know what it is"
  15. Obed

    Obed Good Dog Premium Member

    I still think it comes down to what MOST folks think the terms mean...
    what is the current understanding of the terms and not what some group lists as the definition in their papers...
    few would object to what you say you mean by those terms...liberal feminist...
    but then again, few would want the lable applied to them
  16. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    No wonder I never heard of the term....the APA invented it? LOL -- they put a label on everything!

    Why does the concept of someone being treated equally under the law need another label/term/concept/group?

  17. bostonitis

    bostonitis Good Dog

    United we stand divided we fall? It is a term, like other things I suppose which is why I said I agree with all the ideas but choose to not hold the label...as I do not hold any label to myself. Labels tend to constrict rather than liberate. However, I wanted people to think of how they respond to things they do not understand with dislike rather than inquisition. I will still find that data if you would like my husband "puts things away" and I cant find them :no2: :lol:

    ---------- Post added at 11:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:14 PM ----------

    But then again if we used the majority to define things the United States would be ONE NATION ;)
  18. Obed

    Obed Good Dog Premium Member

    nope... we are talking about understanding of terms here, communication...
    accurate communication can define our differences as well as what we have in common...
    understanding someone does not mean I agree with them...
    You knew the one nation things would get me going, since I do not believe in the one nation thing at all, I believe in a conderation of states, soveriegn states, joined together in a disolvable union... but that is a subject for another thread...
  19. adjecyca

    adjecyca Good Dog

  20. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    This thread should be titled "are you a liberal FEMINIST", just "are you a feminist?"

    That would narrow things down a bit.....mostly today we hear and discuss liberal vs conservative POLITICALLY. I don't hear much about liberal FEMINISM -- I think it is redundant-- usually you just hear "feminist" which really is all you need to say as feminists tend to be liberal politically (SOCIAL liberals anyway).


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