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Are You A Backyard Breeder?

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by Vicki, May 24, 2008.

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  1. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog

    grrrrrrrrrrr, yep. :(:mad:
  2. Tiffseagles

    Tiffseagles GRCH Dog Premium Member

  3. shy

    shy Puppy

    Okay, so I've read this entire thread. My dog was a BYB mistake. They didn't even know the proper breeds when I got her. I have never owned a Boxer or a Bull Terrier before. Heck I didn't even like the breeds much when I got her. In a year and a half she's changed my entire outlook on dogs. Yes I let her go threw her first heat cycle. But after that I got her fixed. I considered breeding because my boyfriend wanted to, had good homes lined up for ever pup had I done it. But in the end, my dog was confused going threw being in heat and I couldn't do anything we really loved to do together. Plus her puppies would still be mixed breeds, which considering that's how most breeds start that wouldn't have bothered me.

    But it came down to, it wasn't right for my dog nor was it right for me. She came from a horrible place that had no grass and no clue what mix she really was. They wanted money, and yes they got it from me, which may have helped them. But my pup got a good home, is fixed, and a great part of my family. Would I consider breeding if I ever got the right dog? Maybe. But in the end, I think I'll leave it to the breeders and keep my girls happy, healthy, and fixed. No accidents can happen that way.

    My biggest opinion is... if you aren't sure or you know you won't breed, get the dog fixed. Accidental litters help no one.
  4. Red_Ballz

    Red_Ballz Puppy

    Shit eaters?? by the way my dog is over 2 years old and 110lbs and he has MANY CHAMPIONS throughout his line.So at least get your fact straight before you go on your useless rant. Having to re home a dog can happen to ANYONE! HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU BLAME THAT ON THE BREEDER! Why don't you start yelling at anyone who posts about the new puppy they bought? Why are they not to blame?? No just the damn breeder...people like you don't deserve to own the dogs. Go buy a Labrador and leave this breed alone. I spent 1,000.00 on terrible and I had placed a deposit before he was even conceived! I don't have a problem selling my dogs, just so happens a lot of people like my bloodlines! I already have deposits on my dogs and they are not even born yet! You may not like the bloodlines that I breed but you cannot deny that my dogs come right off of champions and not "show dogs" THEY ARE ACTUAL WORKING DOGS! The way the breed was supposed to be selected for breeding! I am not some indiscriminate breeder. I bought quality dogs. I could give a shit less what you think, or anyone else thinks because my business does well and I love what I do. I sell my dogs for the prices I ask for and I like providing puppies to good homes, my dogs come with their shots and wormed as well as with a health guarantee. Like I said if there was an overpopulation problem I wouldn't be able to sell dogs. It's clear that you have anger issues by the hostility in your post. I am sure that you are another one of those bleeding heart activist who believe every pit bull should be spayed and neutered. Never mind the fact the breed would go extinct if we all did that. I guess not everyone is smart enough to see where that plan leads.

    ---------- Post added at 06:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:21 PM ----------

    I am sorry I didn't get the memo that this is a Rescue and Adoption only forum. I thought this was a forum about pit bulls and people who love them not angry pissed of animal rights extremest's. if I wanted to be a part of that I would have joined PETA.
  5. carl

    carl Puppy

    I to am planning on breeding large I buy large I will sell large not sure if I will be a backyard breeder or not depends on who I ask I guess I did all my resarch picked a line well picked two .both hated by some in the apbt world but for lack of another name there pits just the rebel in me i guess but most pit owners are or they would own another breed I have breed twice before once in the 80s and in 08 all pups given to friends and family they were pet breed all got and have good homes I see the dogs often does that make me a backyard breeder ya I recon but does my new fenture I have the strongest blood lines i could find came out of the oldest dogs in the line I could find close to the sourse if thats wrong I dont want to be right
  6. ganja

    ganja Good Dog

    gotta love your childish PETA comment lmao!
    its not because we don't agree with YOUR breeding program that we are against responsible breeding.
  7. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog


    i'm curious if the puppies your selling are going to people that are actively working their dogs and/or actively in weight pulling, etc.
    or if they are just PETS.

    your right, its your business and your right to do whatever you want with own property.

    glad you catch that one, my thoughts exactly :hug:
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  8. Dezzi

    Dezzi Big Dog

    I would LOVE to see some ped/pic.s of these Amazing & HUGE (ahem..."apbt's" :rolleyes: ) that you are breeding. If the dogs are so great & the pups already have homes- even though they are not born- Then why not show them?

    And yeah, the apbt will cease to exist if it was not for byb's - That is Bullshit. Do you realize the number of "pit-bulls" that are being PTS -EVERYDAY. Approx: 2,400 a Day / 1 Million a Year in the US.
    Yeah, we are really "In Need" of More!
  9. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog

    my thoughts exactly Dezzie.

    ---------- Post added at 01:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:58 AM ----------

    and NO.. we don't need anymore "pitbull" puppies in this world. no they are not going to go extinct
    that is the most ridiculous thing i ever heard. :rolleyes:


    ---------- Post added at 01:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:18 AM ----------

    shelter worker letter part 2

    A Letter from a Shelter Manager (Everywhere)

    I think our society needs a huge "Wake-up" call. As a shelter manager, I am going to share a little insight with you all...a view from the inside if you will.

    First off, all of you breeders/sellers should be made to work in the "back" of an animal shelter for just one day. Maybe if you saw the life drain from a few sad, lost, confused eyes, you would change your mind about breeding and selling to people you don't even know.

    That puppy you just sold will most likely end up in my shelter when it's not a cute little puppy anymore. So how would you feel if you knew that there's about a 90% chance that dog will never walk out of the shelter it is going to be dumped at? Purebred or not! About 50% of all of the dogs that are "owner surrenders" or "strays", that come into my shelter are purebred dogs.

    The most common excuses I hear are; "We are moving and we can't take our dog (or cat)." Really? Where are you moving too that doesn't allow pets? Or they say "The dog got bigger than we thought it would". How big did you think a German Shepherd would get? "We don't have time for her". Really? I work a 10-12 hour day and still have time for my 6 dogs! "She's tearing up our yard". How about making her a part of your family? They always tell me "We just don't want to have to stress about finding a place for her we know she'll get adopted, she's a good dog".

    Odds are your pet won't get adopted & how stressful do you think being in a shelter is? Well, let me tell you, your pet has 72 hours to find a new family from the moment you drop it off. Sometimes a little longer if the shelter isn't full and your dog manages to stay completely healthy. If it sniffles, it dies. Your pet will be confined to a small run/kennel in a room with about 25 other barking or crying animals. It will have to relieve itself where it eats and sleeps. It will be depressed and it will cry constantly for the family that abandoned it. If your pet is lucky, I will have enough volunteers in that day to take him/her for a walk. If I don't, your pet won't get any attention besides having a bowl of food slid under the kennel door and the waste sprayed out of its pen with a high-powered hose. If your dog is big, black or any of the "Bully" breeds (pit bull, rottie, mastiff, etc) it was pretty much dead when you walked it through the front door.

    Those dogs just don't get adopted. It doesn't matter how 'sweet' or 'well behaved' they are.

    If your dog doesn't get adopted within its 72 hours and the shelter is full, it will be destroyed. If the shelter isn't full and your dog is good enough, and of a desirable enough breed it may get a stay of execution, but not for long . Most dogs get very kennel protective after about a week and are destroyed for showing aggression. Even the sweetest dogs will turn in this environment. If your pet makes it over all of those hurdles chances are it will get kennel cough or an upper respiratory infection and will be destroyed because shelters just don't have the funds to pay for even a $100 treatment.

    Here's a little euthanasia 101 for those of you that have never witnessed a perfectly healthy, scared animal being "put-down".

    First, your pet will be taken from its kennel on a leash. They always look like they think they are going for a walk happy, wagging their tails. Until they get to "The Room", every one of them freaks out and puts on the brakes when we get to the door. It must smell like death or they can feel the sad souls that are left in there, it's strange, but it happens with every one of them. Your dog or cat will be restrained, held down by 1 or 2 vet techs depending on the size and how freaked out they are. Then a euthanasia tech or a vet will start the process. They will find a vein in the front leg and inject a lethal dose of the "pink stuff". Hopefully your pet doesn't panic from being restrained and jerk. I've seen the needles tear out of a leg and been covered with the resulting blood and been deafened by the yelps and screams. They all don't just "go to sleep", sometimes they spasm for a while, gasp for air and defecate on themselves.

    When it all ends, your pets corpse will be stacked like firewood in a large freezer in the back with all of the other animals that were killed waiting to be picked up like garbage. What happens next? Cremated? Taken to the dump? Rendered into pet food? You'll never know and it probably won't even cross your mind. It was just an animal and you can always buy another one, right?

    I hope that those of you that have read this are bawling your eyes out and can't get the pictures out of your head I deal with everyday on the way home from work.

    I hate my job, I hate that it exists & I hate that it will always be there unless you people make some changes and realize that the lives you are affecting go much farther than the pets you dump at a shelter.

    Between 9 and 11 MILLION animals die every year in shelters and only you can stop it. I do my best to save every life I can but rescues are always full, and there are more animals coming in everyday than there are homes.

    My point to all of this DON'T BREED OR BUY WHILE SHELTER PETS DIE!

    Hate me if you want to. The truth hurts and reality is what it is. I just hope I maybe changed one persons mind about breeding their dog, taking their loving pet to a shelter, or buying a dog. I hope that someone will walk into my shelter and say "I saw this and it made me want to adopt". THAT WOULD MAKE IT WORTH IT


    like you said before... there is a need for "pitbull" puppies, right? :rolleyes::no2::(
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  10. Jamielvsaustin

    Jamielvsaustin Good Dog

    Didn't do well in Math class huh? If he was born in 1875 and started breeding when he was 20...wouldn't that make the year 1895 not 1889. In 1889 he would have been? I'll wait while you get your calculator....that's right 14.
  11. Red_Ballz

    Red_Ballz Puppy

    You know what. This is not a discussion about my dogs bloodlines. This is a discussion about backyard breeders. I will no longer discuss this with you. I don't care if you like the bloodlines my dogs carry. Thats your god given right and I respect your opinion. Luckily you don't have to buy my dogs. And luckily for the people who have passion in their hearts for legendary dog's like Spaulding's chevy red dog and whopper,kickass kicker ect.. they have a place to get a piece of that history from me. I am proud to provide that, and I am proud to own dogs that come from dogs with so much heart and working ability. I would choose them time and time again over some random "pretty" show dog that you speak so highly of. The pit bull was meant to be a WORKING breed ABOVE ALL. Therefore if you are not working your dogs you should not breed! If you cant prove your dog is of working quality than how can you prove your APBT is worth breeding??
    My dogs come from tested working lines and that have been kept close and the breeding were planned and kept away from the general public for a long time though culling and use for hog hunting kept number lower.
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  12. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog

  13. DeeDirtyDawg

    DeeDirtyDawg Good Dog

    that whole post was almost embarrassing to read... but the above part made me feel a little sick.

    i don't know if you have any code of ethics (or ethics at all...) but...

    it's the RESPONSIBILITY of the breeder to check out the buyers and make sure that they are suitable for the dogs, allowed to have them where they live, not subject to BSL, etc.

    then, it is the RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BREEDER to keep in touch with EVERY buyer, and get back EVERY DOG that the buyers cannot keep for ANY REASON (sometimes through no faults of their own like debilitating illness, death, transfer of job with no choice, etc) or take the dog back under the terms of the contract, which both breeder and buyer sign.

    once the breeder has that dog back in hand, it is then their RESPONSIBILITY to rehome the dog THEMSELVES, if the dog is suitable for rehome, retrain it if it needs, or euthanize, if the dog has issues which will make it unadoptable or dangerous.

    but.... i lost you at the word RESPONSIBILITY, didn't i?

    i've taken dogs back- no questions asked. i've also seized dogs back (under the terms of the contract) i've had to put one down, rehomed others. the ones i rehomed, i never looked actively for a new family. i trained them, loved them, and when i found someone suitable, i offered the dog to them for little or no cost.
    money isn't what it's about, and i won't sell a dog to any idiot who waves the money in my face. i've given pups for free because i knew the families on the waiting list were right for them.
  14. Sabrina

    Sabrina Moderator

    I am just bawling now! Thanks alot!​
  15. rob32

    rob32 Puppy

    personally i am not offended by back yard breeders. many of us here have owned great dogs that have come as a result of back yard breeding. i honestly do not understand why so many people look at it like youre committing some sort of crime. i know plenty of people that werent "breed standard" but they still had kids lol. the way i see it if you want to breed your dog, go for it. just make sure you do your homework and learn how to properly see it through to ensure the dogs are healthy and go to good homes. then again, im sure i will remain a minority on this issue.
  16. magdalena

    magdalena Good Dog

    I think that sums up the problem in one sentence. I kind of see a scale of 1-10 for BYB, some do the work, the tests, and take care of the dogs, others just stick two dogs together and wait for the cash to roll in.
  17. I'm so tired of dealing with BYBs :(
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  18. Baby was the runt of the litter, my husband fell head over heels in love with her at first sight. She was bred by friends of ours,who had two*pure bred pitbulls*. Everyone who met her just loved her and she really was a baby, a tiny pup with a huge personality. She especially loved taking my socks off my feet and stealing my blankets. She had her first seizure at about 4 months old, and it all went downhill from here( i am talking massive, pooping herself peeing all over the place seizures, horrible horrible thing to see). We have a travelling vet here, they gave her meds and took blood samples but the meds didn't help and she went into constant seizure and long story short we had to find an emergency vet (it was the weekend) who told us that our sweet girl had a liver shunt and it would cost well over 3k to fix her. We had seen her suffer so much already and we just didn't have that kind of money. So we did what we thought was best for her, we couldn't watch her go through any more hurt We all said our tearful goodbyes and let her go. I cannot say for sure that the shunt was due to being poorly bred by a byb, but we were given her sister, Honey, who is a great dog but she has serious skin issues. I guess if only one pup had problems i wouldn't be so quick to blame the breeders .My point in posting his is, had my husband and i educated ourselves first, learned about byb's and the problems there can be, we would not have gone this route. Anybody who has fallen in love with a dog can understand how hard it is when you have to let them go especially one so young. I would discourage anyone from buying from or supporting bybs, not just because of the potential health issues, but also because we just have too many pitbulls in shelters dying everyday, because people (like myself) fall for that oh so cute puppy in the newspaper, or in our neighbors yard insead of going to the shelter and seeing what is available there. I love the two dogs i have, Honey and Wilbur but my next will definitely be a rescue dog.

  19. Very good post.
  20. kamikaze

    kamikaze Good Dog

    What ELSE do you do with your dogs?? OR DO THEY JUST HAVE CHAMPIONS IN THEIR BLOODLINES?? or are YOU breeding CHAMPIONS??? LOL.

    my fav. is when ppl say.. they have champions in their bloodlines BUT DONT DO JACK SHIT WITH THE DOGS THEY ARE BREEDING!

    lmfao... im not even going to touch this... you yourself made you look pretty fkin dumb!!
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