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Are we chasing away new members?

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by Lillie May, May 27, 2016.

  1. Lillie May

    Lillie May Good Dog

    It's an interesting and thought provoking discussion on the bought my wife a puppy thread. Lots of good points that bears a true debate. The forum is a much quieter these days, unlike the lively one I joined 2 years ago. So unless there's a secret forum we weren't invited too, why is it so different? I've seen plenty of fur parents who quickly left, but it was because they thought this was a warm fuzzy place. The know-it-alls that have come here to school us on how to be owners because Great Granddaddy's way is best, usually are dispatched in pretty short order.

    It was brought up on that thread we have different types of owners. That's very true, I think. But there's one thing I'd like to bring up that was not discussed. It appears it's not taken into account that many people are not only new to the breed, but have never been on a forum before. Yes, questions get answered, but might it not be better to approach new members in a more conversational manner? Just a thought. It doesn't have to be sugar coated or all smiley faces. If new people felt more included, they might just stick around to get educated. Ok, let's get this started.
    :);):cool::p:D:rolleyes:o_O...........humor. ;)
     
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  2. dogeatdog

    dogeatdog Good Dog

    It has been quiet lately, I wonder if that has something to do with not being able to enter the site the way we used to, it took me a while to figure out and I was aware of the changes.
    I think people on here have actually got nicer, I know half the stuff newbies say I have heard them being answered exactly the some way for so many years I couldn't even be bothered to reply myself.
    I love the no nonsense approach some have with their answers and have seen may threads where this approach was very much needed, but do think someones first posts should not be quite so direct, there is plenty of time for them to figure it out if they stick around.
    I remember my first post on GD (first forum to have ever gone on haha) most were really helpful, a few were gearing up to school the newbie, it was a very daunting process lol, I couldn't upload pics, didn't know if they were implying my dog was to big or to small going by his weight or why did they even ask (don't have American bullies in this country and had never heard of them). They were making jokes about rare blue dogs on my post and I didn't get it, my dog is brown and white. All I wanted was tips on what to do with the impossible hyperactive little bastard, when I googled questions about him they led me to GD so I joined. I had no idea I would end up learning so much more.
     
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  3. Vicki

    Vicki Administrator Staff Member Administrator

    It's a question we have been trying to answer for awhile now, so without hard numbers and facts, one can only speculate. The migration to a different platform has hit us hard, we were once a destination for pit bull pictures, and for me now, with a new contact RX, the new color format, white on black is really hard on my eyes.
    I think it just ma be something that goes with the ebb and flow of forum life. Or I hope it is anyway.
    Any suggestions to make the forum better or drive more traffic here is always welcome!
     
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  4. Lillie May

    Lillie May Good Dog

    Talk about baptism by fire! I've visited GD from time to time, but PBC is more to my liking. I like no nonsense, humor, and conversation. Being a first time bull breed owner, and a first time forum user, I didn't know didley about either. With all the misinformation out there, my goal was to learn everything I could so I didn't become another idiot on the news. It does take time and guidance to learn the do's & don'ts. The same questions do show up all the time, but someone who doesn't know is asking. The old threads aren't here anymore, [all that knowledge gone], so even if they were here as guests first using search, the info isn't there.

    I had been told this stray was both, "a red nosed APBT" and an AmStaff, yep the first vet is being quoted. I wanted to know which breed so I could read about it. HA, he's neither, he's a BBM what GP calls a pit bull, that began my education.

    I'm very glad I found this place, because I've learned a lot and still am. I relate to the newbies too though.
     
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  5. Lillie May

    Lillie May Good Dog

    That's why it seemed like a good debate topic! I'm speculating there's a super secret forum, that all the ones I know as regulars here, are enjoying!

    That first server switch was a bitch! I hardly ever could log on, it was always down. This seems more than the ebb and flow normal pattern. So let's talk about it.
     
  6. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    That post where the guy bought a puppy for his wife reminded me of when my father was trying to teach math to my brother in Junior High. He got so passionate and frustrated with my brother that he yelled and punched a hole in the drywall. The only thing my brother learned was don't go to Dad for help with homework and math sucks.
     
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  7. Lillie May

    Lillie May Good Dog

    @Nat Ursula, how about your thoughts on what would keep members here and coming back? What's the good and the bad. Looking for real discussions on what works and what doesn't. It's a good way to see if newbies are being chased away or not.
     
  8. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    For me, this is the worst part of the new format. It's just hard to "see" stuff.
     
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  9. lizzy275

    lizzy275 Little Dog

    I'll chime in, I think some people take defense rather quickly and the majority of those people are not educated enough and/or close minded so they choose to run off if they are not happy with the response or tone in their mind that's given. I enjoy coming to the forum and getting advice because of the fact that many on here are bully breed owners with experience with that specific breed who understand the breed and know the responsibility it takes to own one and the importance of continuing to better the breed. You would hope it's a wake up call to people, but some people just can't handle criticism or sincere advice from those with first hand knowledge and experience. Not sure if they were approached in a different manner if their reaction would be different??...but I guess they need to hear the reality of it so they don't continue to make the same mistakes.
     
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  10. Vicki

    Vicki Administrator Staff Member Administrator

    I think if they can't handle criticism, then they are already set to fail at forum life. This is what we all do, we agree, we disagree, some arguements get heated, some fizzle out, but in the end....we still here! It says a lot about the survivors.
    People who can't handle the advise they don't want to here already had their mind made up before they even got here.
     
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  11. lizzy275

    lizzy275 Little Dog

    All I'll add is that I'm thankful to forums like these and people willing to take out time to offer advice, it's helped me a ton with my dog and I am very thankful, whether everything agrees or not that is what discussions are about and in the end I've have much more good come out from all my threads than any bad...and I've vented quite a bit about my adolescent pup who can act like quite the ass as times! But now I'm starting to get him and he's maturing nicely thanks to training and the advice taken and hearing the different perspectives given on the forum!
     
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  12. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    My thoughts exactly.
     
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  13. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    I think people would learn more and become better informed if they feel welcomed right away and are encouraged at whatever level of dog owner that they are. If they are not aware of BYBs, which I would guess many are not, they will learn like many of us have with unhealthy dogs, etc. It does not seem very beneficial right after the person has obtained a new dog unless they have an unhealthy dog that can be returned to the breeder. The best time to talk about all the bad breeders is when people come on and ask for advice in looking for a puppy or adult dog. There has been some really informative advice on here for many people.
     
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  14. dogeatdog

    dogeatdog Good Dog

    I changed mine to black on white.
     
  15. Novy

    Novy Little Dog Premium Member

    Forums are slowly becoming a thing of the past because reddit and social media is slowly taking over in it's place. A lot of people that get told something they don't want to hear, argue for a day and the throw a fit and leave were never really here for substance in the first place. There are probably a thousand groups they could join on facebook where people will just tell them what they want to hear. The only forums I seem to find still somewhat lively are those attracting the older generations - hunting and fishing or automotive forums. There's a good portion of those people that don't "get" the whole social media thing or think it is stupid and just stick with forums instead.

    I belong to a number of forums that have gone through changes that made them worse, and despite being very against changing something that works I must say that I was not bothered at all by the change. The forum still functions well and has a clean layout.
     
  16. steve07

    steve07 Good Dog Premium Member

    I wasn't going to chime in on this but I feel lg
    ike I should. Let me start by saying this forum has been very very helpful to me because I wanted to learn about my breed. At the same point both of my mutts are probably from BYB because there both adopted. Well my blue not officially because I got him in a gas station after the original owner was beating the crap out of him. He asked me if I wanted the dog and I said yes. I agree with the whole BYB but if someone can give that pup a better home not knowing about a BYB. Let them do it if they want to come to the forum to learn give them a chance. Maybe they don't kno about BYB's and jus thought they were getting a good deal on a "pitbull". That's not there fault they didn't know any better. Shit I didn't. But let them come and here and learn before everyone jumps down there throat about a BYB. Give them a chance before you critize maybe they want to do the right thing but isnt sure what that is yet. This is just my opinion. Take it or leave it for what it is. Just give people a chance. They might know any better
     
  17. CrazyK9

    CrazyK9 Good Dog

    I spend more time on Facebook groups now.

    I think part of the reason new people get an attitude from older members is if they spent the time to read some of the forum before typing up a thread, they'd know how their post was going to be taken and would have avoided writing what they did. It's not rocket science. If you come here spewing ignorant crap that gets (or used to at one time anyway) addressed on a weekly basis, people are going to cut right to the chase. I agree it's running people off but you can only have so much patience having to repeat yourself over and over.
     
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  18. Lillie May

    Lillie May Good Dog

    I think that too, and they will be the same ones who set their dogs up to fail. I really don't want to see the forum fail either. It would be a shame if newbies are stranded with trying to sort through all the bullshit on the web. I landed on "that site" accidently while trying to do research! It's a fact this place helps people. Not the willfully ignorant because you can't fix stupid. I didn't get to research before getting Buddie. That's what happens when you give a dog safe haven while searching for the lost pup's owner. It does make me wonder how many mistakes are prevented because of PBC.
     
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  19. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Okay, how about a prominent sticky, maybe even something you have to read and sign off on, during the sign-on process. A sticky that lists all those things that forum members find themselves repeating over and over again. Yes, there are already stickies, but maybe one with those things that come up with newbies in their very first posts. I think a lot of times, newbies DON'T read enough of the forums.
     
  20. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    Because much like the EULA and TOS pages you and everyone else skip through when you install software on your computer, they'd either figure out how to do the bare minimum to skip past it, or say "fuck it" and leave because it's too much of a hassle.
     

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