Are APBT a "rare breed"?

[CallSignOWL]

The internet is a sketchy place, no duh, but I had a fella tell me that. His whole spiel is as follows:

Pit Bulls are a rare breed because they’re mostly owned by dog-fighters. With dog-fighting being illegal across North America and in many other countries, dog-fighters don’t exactly advertise why they have 50 dogs in their yards. You can’t just call ahead of time, do an interview, walk onto the yard and purchase a Pit Bull like you could with a breeder of another breed. Most of them won’t sell to the general public or your Average Joe walking down the street, let alone take that person to their yard. Due to this, they’ve kind of got the market closed for Pit Bulls in that they control who gets them because they’re closely knit and most of them know one another.

In the south, some gamedog owners use their purebred APBT for hog-hunting because it’s one of the last legal ways to game test dogs and breed for gameness. Personally I don’t understand how this is, because the dog is not set on the boar long enough to test whether or not he’s game, but whatever.

This is why when someone says they got a “pit bull†in a shelter, chances are it isn’t a Pit Bull at all - most of the time dogs who are confiscated from dog-fighters are put to sleep, not adopted out to the public.

to me, that sounds like one of those “dog men†who only consider an APBT an APBT if its been in the box

 

[CallSignOWL]

Now he's saying that

American Pit Bull Terriers are not a commonly owned breed outside of dog-fighting circles.

Is it safe to say this guy's an idiot??

 

[_unoriginal]

I believe there's a lot of stuff that happens behind closed doors that obviously people don't know about, however to say someone that has a yard full of dogs is obviously engaging in illegal activity is just plain ignorant. That's some HSUS bred shit right there.

 

[CallSignOWL]

wow, this guy is great...

No, not all APBT are owned by people who actively fight their dogs, but the gamedog fanciers and fighters are most often the ones that own genuine, pedigree, purebred APBT. Where does your mailman get his APBT from? Where does your neighbour get her APBT from? From someone breeding APBT as pets, who is NOT within the gamedog fancier circles…. Or from someone who “knows a guy” with a yard of dogs?

Do you really believe your average dog owner/breeder has got their hands on dogs who are not at all associated with gamedog fanciers/fighters? Where do they get these dogs from?

Why do you believe that purebred APBT who are not from gamedog fanciers (who, like I said do not often sell to strangers on the street) aren*t rare?What you*re saying right now is that dogs not linked to fighters and game breeders are common and that your average bro on the street can get one…. But from where…..?


Do you really believe what you*re saying

 

[BCdogs]

I see what he's saying. I think he's just one of those people who still believe that the only true APBT is one that's proven himself in the pit. From his perspective, sure, there aren't a whole lot left. But from my perspective, I believe that the APBT can prove itself in other ways.

 

[CallSignOWL]

My biggest issue is him saying that people cant have a pedigreed/purebred APBT without being involved with dog fighting/fighters. Kind of removed the VAST majority of those who own these dogs, and makes it sound like those who do own" real APBT" are engaged in illegal activity.

I bet a lot of UKC and ADBA folks would get a bit testy if they were told they cant possibly have "purebred" dogs without them being involved in that sort of thing.

 

[BCdogs]

Yes, I agree that that's not true. Obviously there are people with APBTs that don't fight them. Again, I think from his perspective he just doesn't consider those dogs the real thing, even if they are purebred. I've seen a few people who still think that way. I think it's bullshit, but to each their own, I guess.

 

[BlankZ]

My biggest issue is him saying that people cant have a pedigreed/purebred APBT without being involved with dog fighting/fighters. Kind of removed the VAST majority of those who own these dogs, and makes it sound like those who do own" real APBT" are engaged in illegal activity.

I bet a lot of UKC and ADBA folks would get a bit testy if they were told they cant possibly have "purebred" dogs without them being involved in that sort of thing.

I completely agree with you on this. There are a few things that person post that I do not agree with him on but he does also post good information. He is also no dogman and lives in an area where APBTs are illegal.

I think when you are running a blog dedicated to giving people correct information about the breed that you dont spew out misinformation. All we need now is more people who think that you must be a dog fighter or associate with dog fighters because you own an APBT.

 

[shotgun_wg]

As a hog hunter I disagree with him as well. Mainly on the point of useing game bred dogs for catch dogs. While some have attributes that are a plus in the hog hunting world far more have to many negatives. The same DA that is discussed here is an issue I will not tolerate in a cd. Bitchy is one thing but straight up DA is another. I have far to much time invested in bay dogs to cut a cd loose that may decide he don't like that dog instead of the hog. Also hog hunters do not want a cd to fight a hog. We want them to grab and hold. The difference is huge. I do agree that a true APBT is far harder to find than say an American bulldog APBT cross. Or a bully cross or a pure staff or bully. The fact is most of what is out there comes from BYB that crossed 2 bull type dogs and call them pits. Papers are useless unless the breeder is honest. Honest breeders are hard to find. Both today and 50 years ago. I would even go as far as to say the guys that are still pitting dogs in a box are useing more crossed dogs than than APBT. Mainly because the shows of old are no longer. It is no longer a gentlemans sport but a sport of thugs.


Shotgun
Arkansas

 

[DancesWithCurs]

I agree about hog hunting not being a test of gameness but that's about all I agree with. Sure, APBT are not as numerous as people would believe and most people that think they're getting one off a shelter or "some guy" probably aren't. But to that end they aren't really hard to find provided you know where to look

 

[TannerG]

My biggest issue is him saying that people cant have a pedigreed/purebred APBT without being involved with dog fighting/fighters. Kind of removed the VAST majority of those who own these dogs, and makes it sound like those who do own" real APBT" are engaged in illegal activity.

I bet a lot of UKC and ADBA folks would get a bit testy if they were told they cant possibly have "purebred" dogs without them being involved in that sort of thing.

I don't think that what he is saying at all.

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[CallSignOWL]

I don't think that what he is saying at all.

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tell me where you missed it?

(...) but the gamedog fanciers and fighters are most often the ones that own genuine, pedigree, purebred APBT.

American Pit Bull Terriers are not a commonly owned breed outside of dog-fighting circles.

Do you really believe your average dog owner/breeder has got their hands on dogs who are not at all associated with gamedog fanciers/fighters? Where do they get these dogs from?

Why do you believe that purebred APBT who are not from gamedog fanciers aren't rare?

 

[TannerG]

Pretty sure he just got a different idea of what a pit bull is then what you have. But who knows I can't get into his brain.

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[Humblepit]

I guess the reason why he's saying it's hard to find a purebred apbt is because when you google search "pitbull breeders" you'll find a bunch of bully breeders before you'll find a true apbt. I don't agree that a true apbt has to show and prove in the fighting ring. I also don't agree that apbt are tested as game dogs thru the practice as catch dogs. It's hard to convince something that they believe in their heart.

 

[Lillie May]

Maybe they are hard to find, but I agree the ethical breeder won't sell to
Joe Schmoe off the street. They a powerful breed and they don't belong in just anyone's hands. I agree with DWC that they are there if you know where to look.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Maybe they are hard to find, but I agree the ethical breeder won't sell to
Joe Schmoe off the street. They a powerful breed and they don't belong in just anyone's hands. I agree with DWC that they are there if you know where to look.

Apbt's aren't really hard to find, if you truly want to own an American Pit Bull Terrier. Anyone with the desire to own a well bred, papered dog from a reputable breeder should take the time to educate themselves about the breed they want. Not just how to properly raise the dog and how to be a responsible owner, but rather the history of the breed, historical dogs, historical dogmen, matches and what not. When you have a solid understanding about what you are looking for in a dog, it becomes easy to locate one. Especially, once you know what blood you want it becomes fairly easy to locate said dogs. For some people it tends to be challenging and I don't understand why. It's not that hard to do research and then get out there and meet the people involved in said community. Sure, you can say not everyone should own this breed of dogs, but that decision is up to them. It's just like some people shouldn't raise children, but ultimately that decision is up to them. Most ethical and reputable breeders have no issues passing along a dog to someone who can prove their ability to own one of their dog in a responsible manner.

 

[Lillie May]

I agree with everything you said CC, you worded it far better than myself. The last sentence says it best. However my post was referring to the people who do no such research, and think they are getting a papered AKC Blue nose APBT off Craig's list. Also, there are those who want a true APBT, who've done no research, yet would seek one out. It would be my hope that an ethical and reputable breeder would not sell to one of those type of people. Those who would only further tarnish the breed is the point I'm trying to make. And yes I know the AKC doesn't register them & Blue nose is not a bloodline, it was on someone's post here on the forum showing a picture of someone doing just that. I'm agreeing with both you and DWC's statement they are out there, you just have to know where to look.

 

[IronChef]

Anyone who has been on the peds online classifieds can attest to the fact that "game bred" "proven" dogs are a dime a dozen and there is a line of peddlers (I mean "dogmen") waiting to take your cash. Quality dogs are rare because quality breeders and fanciers are rare.

 

[shotgun_wg]

Anyone that has spent much time on peds online can also attest to the fact that papers don't mean nothing. Saw a lady a few weeks back selling a registered game bred Gotti x razor x chinaman x Eli x Boudreaux x gator x carver dog. Game tested at 12 weeks full blood. Yep papers are only as good as the one with the pen.


Shotgun
Arkansas

 

[TannerG]

Anyone that has spent much time on peds online can also attest to the fact that papers don't mean nothing. Saw a lady a few weeks back selling a registered game bred Gotti x razor x chinaman x Eli x Boudreaux x gator x carver dog. Game tested at 12 weeks full blood. Yep papers are only as good as the one with the pen.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Fire!!!!

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