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Are APBT a "rare breed"?

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by CallSignOWL, Aug 24, 2014.

  1. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    The internet is a sketchy place, no duh, but I had a fella tell me that. His whole spiel is as follows:

    to me, that sounds like one of those “dog men†who only consider an APBT an APBT if its been in the box
     
  2. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    Now he's saying that

    Is it safe to say this guy's an idiot??
     
  3. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    I believe there's a lot of stuff that happens behind closed doors that obviously people don't know about, however to say someone that has a yard full of dogs is obviously engaging in illegal activity is just plain ignorant. That's some HSUS bred shit right there.
     
  4. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    wow, this guy is great...

     
  5. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Super Moderator

    I see what he's saying. I think he's just one of those people who still believe that the only true APBT is one that's proven himself in the pit. From his perspective, sure, there aren't a whole lot left. But from my perspective, I believe that the APBT can prove itself in other ways.
     
  6. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    My biggest issue is him saying that people cant have a pedigreed/purebred APBT without being involved with dog fighting/fighters. Kind of removed the VAST majority of those who own these dogs, and makes it sound like those who do own" real APBT" are engaged in illegal activity.

    I bet a lot of UKC and ADBA folks would get a bit testy if they were told they cant possibly have "purebred" dogs without them being involved in that sort of thing.
     
  7. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Super Moderator

    Yes, I agree that that's not true. Obviously there are people with APBTs that don't fight them. Again, I think from his perspective he just doesn't consider those dogs the real thing, even if they are purebred. I've seen a few people who still think that way. I think it's bullshit, but to each their own, I guess.
     
  8. BlankZ

    BlankZ Little Dog

    I completely agree with you on this. There are a few things that person post that I do not agree with him on but he does also post good information. He is also no dogman and lives in an area where APBTs are illegal.

    I think when you are running a blog dedicated to giving people correct information about the breed that you dont spew out misinformation. All we need now is more people who think that you must be a dog fighter or associate with dog fighters because you own an APBT.
     
  9. shotgun_wg

    shotgun_wg Little Dog

    As a hog hunter I disagree with him as well. Mainly on the point of useing game bred dogs for catch dogs. While some have attributes that are a plus in the hog hunting world far more have to many negatives. The same DA that is discussed here is an issue I will not tolerate in a cd. Bitchy is one thing but straight up DA is another. I have far to much time invested in bay dogs to cut a cd loose that may decide he don't like that dog instead of the hog. Also hog hunters do not want a cd to fight a hog. We want them to grab and hold. The difference is huge. I do agree that a true APBT is far harder to find than say an American bulldog APBT cross. Or a bully cross or a pure staff or bully. The fact is most of what is out there comes from BYB that crossed 2 bull type dogs and call them pits. Papers are useless unless the breeder is honest. Honest breeders are hard to find. Both today and 50 years ago. I would even go as far as to say the guys that are still pitting dogs in a box are useing more crossed dogs than than APBT. Mainly because the shows of old are no longer. It is no longer a gentlemans sport but a sport of thugs.


    Shotgun
    Arkansas
     
  10. DancesWithCurs

    DancesWithCurs Good Dog

    I agree about hog hunting not being a test of gameness but that's about all I agree with. Sure, APBT are not as numerous as people would believe and most people that think they're getting one off a shelter or "some guy" probably aren't. But to that end they aren't really hard to find provided you know where to look
     
  11. TannerG

    TannerG Boss Member

    I don't think that what he is saying at all.

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  12. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog


    tell me where you missed it?

     
  13. TannerG

    TannerG Boss Member

    Pretty sure he just got a different idea of what a pit bull is then what you have. But who knows I can't get into his brain.

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  14. Humblepit

    Humblepit Good Dog

    I guess the reason why he's saying it's hard to find a purebred apbt is because when you google search "pitbull breeders" you'll find a bunch of bully breeders before you'll find a true apbt. I don't agree that a true apbt has to show and prove in the fighting ring. I also don't agree that apbt are tested as game dogs thru the practice as catch dogs. It's hard to convince something that they believe in their heart.
     
  15. Lillie May

    Lillie May Good Dog

    Maybe they are hard to find, but I agree the ethical breeder won't sell to
    Joe Schmoe off the street. They a powerful breed and they don't belong in just anyone's hands. I agree with DWC that they are there if you know where to look.
     
  16. Cosmic Charlie

    Cosmic Charlie Good Dog

    Apbt's aren't really hard to find, if you truly want to own an American Pit Bull Terrier. Anyone with the desire to own a well bred, papered dog from a reputable breeder should take the time to educate themselves about the breed they want. Not just how to properly raise the dog and how to be a responsible owner, but rather the history of the breed, historical dogs, historical dogmen, matches and what not. When you have a solid understanding about what you are looking for in a dog, it becomes easy to locate one. Especially, once you know what blood you want it becomes fairly easy to locate said dogs. For some people it tends to be challenging and I don't understand why. It's not that hard to do research and then get out there and meet the people involved in said community. Sure, you can say not everyone should own this breed of dogs, but that decision is up to them. It's just like some people shouldn't raise children, but ultimately that decision is up to them. Most ethical and reputable breeders have no issues passing along a dog to someone who can prove their ability to own one of their dog in a responsible manner.
     
  17. Lillie May

    Lillie May Good Dog

    I agree with everything you said CC, you worded it far better than myself. The last sentence says it best. However my post was referring to the people who do no such research, and think they are getting a papered AKC Blue nose APBT off Craig's list. Also, there are those who want a true APBT, who've done no research, yet would seek one out. It would be my hope that an ethical and reputable breeder would not sell to one of those type of people. Those who would only further tarnish the breed is the point I'm trying to make. And yes I know the AKC doesn't register them & Blue nose is not a bloodline, it was on someone's post here on the forum showing a picture of someone doing just that. I'm agreeing with both you and DWC's statement they are out there, you just have to know where to look.
     
  18. IronChef

    IronChef Big Dog

    Anyone who has been on the peds online classifieds can attest to the fact that "game bred" "proven" dogs are a dime a dozen and there is a line of peddlers (I mean "dogmen") waiting to take your cash. Quality dogs are rare because quality breeders and fanciers are rare.
     
  19. shotgun_wg

    shotgun_wg Little Dog

    Anyone that has spent much time on peds online can also attest to the fact that papers don't mean nothing. Saw a lady a few weeks back selling a registered game bred Gotti x razor x chinaman x Eli x Boudreaux x gator x carver dog. Game tested at 12 weeks full blood. Yep papers are only as good as the one with the pen.


    Shotgun
    Arkansas
     
  20. TannerG

    TannerG Boss Member

    Fire!!!!

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