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are AmStaffs not registerable w/ the UKC??

Discussion in 'American Staffordshire Terrier' started by cantrell-chartier kennels, May 15, 2009.

  1. My pup is AKC reg. and I just went to reg. him with the UKC only to find .. no choice for Am Staff in the drop down menu, only Am Pit!

    Am I wrong here? What's up?
  2. Does this go for ADBA as well?
  3. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    AKC Am Stafs can only be registered as an APBT with UKC.

    They do not have a breed known as the American Staffordshire Terrier.

    When UKC Pit Bulls signed on as ASTs in AKC in 1936, UKC never stopped recognizing those dogs as Pit Bulls....

  4. Thank you, I see now.

    So I would call him an APBT with the UKC, and then use his UKC papers for the ADBA ... gotcha.
  5. xdogs

    xdogs Good Dog

    Depending on whether you are trying to get UKC registration for an intact or altered dog, you have to have your dog inspected throught a UKC evaluator to "single register" your AmStaff as APBT or submit pictures and proof of neuter to ILP your AmStaff as APBT.

    As far as I know, ADBA has their own single registration process for AmStaffs to be registered as APBT's with them.
  6. Patch O' Pits

    Patch O' Pits Good Dog

    Yes both ADBA and UKC accept AKC reg AmStaffs as APBTs as already stated. There is a specific process to go through to single reg.
    The guidelines are listed on the websites and forms are there to be downloaded as well.

    Best of luck. :)
  7. raoh

    raoh Puppy

    I am pretty sure AKC does NOT allow UKC APBT to become AmStaff though. UKC is more liberal in that they recognize AmStaff as APBT. I dont mean to sound so "guessy" but in contrast I dont think ADBA would allow AmStaff to become APBT.
  8. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    i dont understand why people want to do this it makes as much sense as registering a doberman as a dalmation AmStaffs and APBTs are two seperate breeds and it needs to stay that way
  9. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    Bud they do it to get into shows.
  10. Beth L

    Beth L Little Dog

    I registered my male AST as an APBT when he was younger. I prefered UKC to AKC at the time.
    I did show him in UKC too.

    I would not breed him to a UKC only bitch though. Not that he was ever available for stud anyway.
  11. sidonis

    sidonis Puppy

    yep the ukc have long seen the dogs as the same breed, you have dual registration on the UKC but not with the AKC, it's all political rubbish.
    If a kennel club (UKC) allows dual registration it says it all..........the AKC try to distance themselves from the name "pitbull" because they could see a long time ago there would be trouble.
  12. SouthernThistle

    SouthernThistle Good Dog

    Incorrect (and since this thread is over a year old...doesn't really matter.)

    You can no longer register your AKC AmStaff with the UKC unless the sire and dam of your AmStaff are already registered with the UKC. The UKC closed their studbooks in April 2010 (pretty sure that's the month) to any registrations of AKC dogs.

    The only exception is for LP (Limited Privilege) dogs which means the dog must be spayed or neutered prior to registration and, obviously, cannot compete in standard conformation competitions.
  13. sidonis

    sidonis Puppy

    Thats interesting I never knew they had done that (I don't live in the states)..........why did they do it?.....they must have got sick of the AKC politics.
  14. Beth L

    Beth L Little Dog

    I heard it was to try to keep the American Bully's out.
    But the funny thing about that is many are already UKC reg.

    oh well.

    But UKC can reopen the stud books at anytime.
    I doubt they will be closed for good.
  15. Rogue Bullies

    Rogue Bullies Good Dog

    Correct. So in UKC's eyes they are the same breed. If you want to do competitions with him or something you have to register him under APBT. However as someone else said UKC is getting more stick on it new rules have been applied.
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 25, 2010
  16. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    RB -- As noted, that post of mine was old; UKC recently did away with single registration of Am Stafs (April or May of THIS year), as posted by Southern Thistle. No longer can you register an Am Staf as a Pit Bull with UKC...will UKC register the AM STAF?? Stand by...

  17. Rogue Bullies

    Rogue Bullies Good Dog

    You can still if they are spayed/neutered correct? And you can still do competitions besides conformation like weight pull, agility etc?
  18. SouthernThistle

    SouthernThistle Good Dog

    No. The American Staffordshire Terrier is not a recognized breed with the UKC. I highly doubt they ever would considering recognizing the breed due to the amount of CRAP that would ensue because of the number of AKC AmStaffs that are already registered as UKC APBT.

    ---------- Post added at 12:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:16 PM ----------


  19. Rogue Bullies

    Rogue Bullies Good Dog

    To me if they are still allowing the LP dogs to be registered as APBTs than they still technically see them as the same breed so I highly doubt they will recognize an amstaff as its own breed. Sounds like they are just trying to cull out the AKC dogs hopefully to breed the APBT back pure, but who knows if that is going work.
  20. SouthernThistle

    SouthernThistle Good Dog

    The UKC never said that they were no longer going to recognize the AmStaff/APBT connection. They just said that they were closing the studbooks to the registering of any new (intact) dogs into the registry.

    Here is more information on the decision:


    I think the overall idea is to attempt to preserve the original bloodlines (even though there are several AmStaffs and AmBullies registered as APBT with the UKC already - as someone else pointed out.)

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