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APBT and Amstaff?

Discussion in 'American Staffordshire Terrier' started by bullylover19, May 2, 2010.

  1. bullylover19

    bullylover19 Puppy

    hi, im new to this site and really new to pits. i myself own a female bully, but i was just wondering if anyone can shed some light on this subject...i have been researching a bit and from what i gather is that the APBT and the Amstaff are really the same breeed. when the APBT came to America from europe they had a such a bad name for fighting that Americans changed their name to american staffordshire. Please let me know if you know anything else about this thanks :D
     
  2. magdalena

    magdalena Good Dog

    I don't think that is correct. Why would the American PBT have been bred in Europe? I'm sure someone can give you a long history. The two breeds do have the same roots but they diverged and staffies were bred for work and show and APBT's were bred for fighting (until it was made illegal) from what I understand.
     
  3. bullylover19

    bullylover19 Puppy

    i thought it was odd, but everything that i have read about them says that they bred a bulldog and terrier in england, scotland and ireland, and originally used them for bull-bait then later used them for fighting and other such things as entertainment, and thats how they say they got their names cause they would fight in a pit. I don't know if this is 100% true, but i'd like to know what people do know about them
     
  4. magdalena

    magdalena Good Dog

  5. Owned by Luna

    Owned by Luna Little Dog

    You can find info on the breed history in the AST History section.
     
  6. bullylover19

    bullylover19 Puppy

    thanks for the sites, they were very helpful, i actually cleared some things up:D
     
  7. Rogue Bullies

    Rogue Bullies Good Dog

    Its partly correct actually. All of the bull and terrier breeds were from erupoe and then later brought to the US. The American Pit Bull Terrier was the first and original name. The dogs were resisted with the UKC in the late 1800's. Then later in the 1930's the American Kennel Club (AKC) decided to register select APBTs under a different name "Staffordshire Terrier" later becoming the Ameican Staffordshire Terrier. They changed the name because they didn't want anything to do with the fighting history of the breed. You can take a AKC amstaff and register it under the UKC as an APBT, but not vise vera. Today there are many UKC champions that are dual registered. In conclusion some will argue that they are the same breed, however being bred differently for the past 70 years some will argue they are no longer the same breed.
     
  8. Mrpedigree

    Mrpedigree Big Dog

    i thought the amstaff was banned in the UK ??:confused:
     
  9. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    amstaffs are not and never was a banned breed in uk.....apbt,tosa inu,fila brasiliero and dogo argentina are banned breeds............or......any dog that could be deemed as " type "....of any of those breeds.
     
  10. Mrpedigree

    Mrpedigree Big Dog

    You never see them advertised though do ya !? so theres nothing from stopping you from importing one from the USA ?
     
  11. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    no you couldnt....due to the similarities it would be deemed " pit bull type "....therfore an illegal dog........

    by rights a lab crossed with a boxer could be deemed pit bull type......but that just shows what a bollocks up the whole dda ever was....literally hundreds of innocent dogs with no pit bull in them whatsoever have been pts due to the dda......why do you think people rarely advertise irish staffords as irish staffords,because to the powers that be there is no such breed and its merely a cover up term for pit bull :rolleyes:.........only in a country as fxxxed up as this could such a ridiculous law have been around near 20 years !
     
  12. Rogue Bullies

    Rogue Bullies Good Dog

    I have always been confused whether amstaffs were allowed in the UK or not. I asked one time on another forum and no one could give me a straight answer.

    Looking at one point if it says "no pit bull types" I would say no. However if it says no APBTs, then I would think amstaffs would be okay.

    I am sure as long as you have registered paper work stating the dog is an actual amstaff you would be okay. Another wise I am 90% sure someone would think it was a APBT and destroy it.

    I think the law is just ridiculous because any dog can be dangerous and your right there are so many dogs who could look like pit bull types or mixes. In fact over 30ish pure breds not counting mixes get confused as a "pit bull". It surprises me that they allow some of the most dangerous and true aggressive dogs in the world like the Caucasian Ovcharka or the Filla, but yet ban very human friendly simple breeds.
     
  13. magdalena

    magdalena Good Dog

    I thought staffordshire terriers were ok as long as they were muzzled and leashed when out.
     
  14. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    paperwork saying what ?....the english kennel club do not recognise the american pit bull terrier or amstaff as a legitimate breed of dog so what is paperwork going to prove when the authorities use the kennel club and rspca as a guide !!....

    i know plenty of lads who have had kennel club staffordshire bull terrier papers on their apbt who have still had dogs taken and destroyed....its not difficult to register a couple more pups from a kc stafford litter and use them papers for your apbt.......but the fact is a dog showing apbt " type " whether its a pure apbt or not is subject to the laws.....

    the funny part is....the fact the english kennel club do not believe that possibly the purest breed of dog around today is NOT an official breed of dog :rolleyes:....like most things to do with the kennel club,they believe whatever they want to believe !

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    staffordshires your side and staffordshires over here are not the same breed of dog.
    there is no law or limitations whatsoever on staffordshire bull terriers in the uk......but the amstaff being a different breed would be deemed " pit bull type "
     
  15. Rogue Bullies

    Rogue Bullies Good Dog

    So like if someone from the US moved to the UK with there amstaff and had legit AKC papers it would still be subject to being destroyed?
     
  16. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    Simple description:

    Upon entry into the AKC as the new "American Staffordshire Terrier", it was indeed APBT registered as such. But over the past 70+ years, those dogs have been bred for different reasons and to different standards than the true APBT thus a new breed was formed.

    However, you will still find that a few will breed APBTs to ASTs and call them either APBTs, ASTs, or both. And you can thank the registries that still allow an AST to be registered as an APBT despite the fact that it is not.

    It can all be very confusing. ;) Of course, that's why I'm all for a clean break from such double registrations and believe that ASTs should remain registered as ASTs. If your "APBT" is from AST lineage, it is an AST.
     
  17. magdalena

    magdalena Good Dog

    Don't Staffys and AmStaffs look similar enough that it would get confusing though?
     
  18. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    indeed it would yes.....akc papers would mean nothing here,like i say apbt and amstaff are not recognised as an official breed of dog by the english kennel club.....hence the paperwork for those breeds represent nothing.....crazy i know.:no2:

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    no more confusing as a staff and an apbt....or in fact a staff/whippet and an apbt.....or many other crosses and variations........hence the cop out phrase " pit bull type ".......

    what that really means is......" we dont know what it is but because this law is a kneejerk reaction to some bad attacks back 20 years ago.....thats the way it is "..............the dangerous dogs act uk came out in 1991......and has seen the death of many innocent dogs due to the fact they " looked like " a criminal.........

    a basic analogy would be that every person who " looks like " a serial killer,must be a serial killer so should be put to sleep incase they kill somebody !......you go figure it.

    it was dog genocide designed to wipe out the apbt breed in the uk within 1 generation......and it failed due to the fact that some of us had a love and passion for this breed and took the risks and stuck 2 fingers up this disgusting law.
     
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  19. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    It's been done, just recently. UKC no longer will single-register American Staffordshire Terriers as American Pit Bull Terriers.


    UKC Message Boards - UKC Single Registration Process for American Pit Bull Terriers to close

    Has anyone heard whether ADBA is going to follow suit?

    Carla
     
  20. magdalena

    magdalena Good Dog

    I think the ADBA did.
     

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