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Apbt, Amstaffs, And Bully's The Same Dog?

Discussion in 'American Bully' started by CINCINNATIBULLIES, Nov 23, 2008.

  1. DieselDawg

    DieselDawg Good Dog

    The violations on the first two pages were all from the same thing...Kennel Link in Sig and it was noticed, discussed and handled. The other by Michelle was a warning about "breed bashing"...so yes, the mods were doing thier jobs... ;-)
     
  2. Diggler

    Diggler Puppy

    I've had this discussion to many times to care anymore..however..

    I can't believe you tried to say Juan Gotti had great conformation.

    Also something you might want to note as you keep asking how two APBT's can have anything but APBT's..

    ev·o·lu·tion [​IMG]
    n.
    1. A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. See Synonyms at development.
      1. The process of developing.
      2. Gradual development.
      3. Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.


    When you start breeding for different standards..it becomes a different breed.
     
  3. leharris

    leharris Big Dog

    i am not sure about any bloodlines I know mine have papers they all say ampbt but ane one is am staff i thought they were diffrent. even though they look alike. i thought beck in the day they were papered like that. or ampbt came from staffs. I dont know in lost.but what i wanted to know is whats up with the gotti line. ane of mine is from that line whats the cross give me more info please.
     
  4. BMizzle

    BMizzle Little Dog

    Just stopping by to say hello to a fellow cincinnati "pitbull" owner
     
  5. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    Some people say that APBT and Amstaff are the same breed (like CB). Some are from the school of thought that they are different breeds (like myself).

    They started at the same point. Amstaff and APBT were once the same, but soon they started being bred with different standards and for different purposes, so, they branched off of one another. The APBT name was originally changed to Amstaff to be registered in the AKC and in an attempt to shake off the "pit" history.

    Gotti line is known as an American Bully line. Hopefully someone with more knowledge about AmBullies, can give you more info. on that.
     
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  6. Xelda13

    Xelda13 Puppy

    Okay I have no valid input or opinion on this whatsoever.. but all I could honestly gather from this discussion is wonder why in the world someone would take the time to capitalize the first letter of every word.. lmao...
     
  7. xgarrettxvx

    xgarrettxvx Big Dog

    i have to agree with cincinattibullies all the way, every history i've read about ambullies from from bully kennel sites and an interview with dave wilson, the bully was achieved by breeding apbt and amstaffs only, both are pit bulls, as we all know. HE jus kept breeding the bigger ones and the evolution just came natural, ambullies are definately pit bulls.
     
  8. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    Yes, they are both "pit bulls" as an American Bully is a "pit bull". However an American Pit Bull Terrier isn't an American Staffordshire Terrier or an American Bully. An Amstaff isn't an APBT or an Ambully, and finally, an Ambully isn't an Amstaff or an APBT.
     
  9. xgarrettxvx

    xgarrettxvx Big Dog

    yeah, but amstaffs would be apbt if they were registered with the UKC instead of the AKC, and ambullies are almost always registered with UKC as APBTs
     
  10. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    Yes, and I knew a guy who had a Chow registered with the AKC as a St. Bernard, but it didn't make that dog a St. Bernard. :)
     
  11. DieselDawg

    DieselDawg Good Dog

    Registration does not supercede genetics.
     
  12. xgarrettxvx

    xgarrettxvx Big Dog

    i understand that, but the genetics still all trace back to APBT, i'm not offended if people don't want to call their ambullies pit bulls, but i think it would still be correct to call one a pit bull.
     
  13. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    Yes, correct to call it a "pit bull" but not an American Pit Bull Terrier.
     
  14. xgarrettxvx

    xgarrettxvx Big Dog

    hah i guesso, the fact that people with smaller pit bulls, or apbt, hate on bullier style pits so much,i'd want to get away from it too. I'm not sure how my 8th month old apbt is going to turn out, he was the runt of the litter, and he isn't as tall as most of his brothers that we still see, but weighs 60 lbs and is thicker in bone than some, so after he is full grown i will decide if i should register him ukc or abkc, right now he is only adba registered, he has mostly game in his ped, midnight cowboy, but also bullier bloodlines too. no disrespect to game or bully owners, fans. they are all great dogs, same or not. haha
     
  15. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    Trust me Garrett, I have no problem with each breed as long as they are called by the proper name, and as long as the people breeding them are doing right by them, i.e. not doing it just for money, getting healthy checks, etc. I am sure that Ambullies can make a fine pet. I love Amstaffs, and I love APBTs. I just acknowledge them as different breeds. :)
     
  16. nbritcher

    nbritcher Puppy

    genetics all trace back to wolves, but we dont call all dogs wolves.
     
  17. xgarrettxvx

    xgarrettxvx Big Dog

    we should though, it would make them that much more bad ass. hahahaha
     
  18. herr schmeling

    herr schmeling Little Dog

    this discussion will never have a solution or one answer. it is up to an individual to figure out where they stand. it will always bug somebody what someone else says. i am inclined to think am-bullies are a new interpretation of pitbulls and amstaffs but colby himself said his pitbulls were called amstaffs for clasification purposes. confusion around this breed has existed for a 100 years. my ambullies can be traced to colby's pincher. thats some history. so what to do? call them what you like. it will never please everyone . so who is right??????????
     
  19. xgarrettxvx

    xgarrettxvx Big Dog

    i think it's safe to say some ambullies are just apbt and amstaff mixed and some are outcrossed.
     
  20. PNWPBR

    PNWPBR Good Dog

    OR just say an AmBully is an AmBully and leave it at that. :)
     

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