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APA

Discussion in 'Obedience & Sports' started by Team Peanut, Aug 18, 2014.

  1. Team Peanut

    Team Peanut GRCH Dog

    Has anyone ever been to or competed with APA weight pull?
    i seen there is one coming up next month close enough to me but I can't seem to figure out how to use their site or if it is worth going out to it.

    i appreciate any info/feedback.
     
  2. ShanaRowan

    ShanaRowan FlirtPolin' Premium Member

    I haven't, but I know some people who have. What sort of questions do you have? Anything specific?
     
  3. Team Peanut

    Team Peanut GRCH Dog

    Well if I was to go do I sign up there no preregistration required? The info for the event just has a date weigh in time and address. Is there anything needed?
     
  4. Tiffseagles

    Tiffseagles GRCH Dog Premium Member

    Not sure about APA but proof of Rabies is required for IWPA so I'd bring that just in case. Haven't really been to APA pulls. Sorry :(
     
  5. ShanaRowan

    ShanaRowan FlirtPolin' Premium Member

    I am pretty sure that you don't need to be an APA member to pull - most organizations allow anyone to pull regardless of membership. You probably won't be able to qualify towards titles, but NWDA lets you do it without being a member, so I'm not certain. I pull IWPA and have never even been asked for a rabies cert but it would be a good idea to have it just in case. I've pulled with a few different orgs and have never had to pregister for any pulls, you pretty much just show up, fill out your paperwork, weigh in and pull!

    Oh - bring a crate. Two things you will want to find out when you get there are whether or not they allow treating in between rounds and what the rule is about distance between handler and dog - those two components are the things that always confuse me when pulling in different orgs. Sorry if you already know all this stuff, just trying to cover all the bases.
     
  6. Team Peanut

    Team Peanut GRCH Dog

    I am so used to dock jumping where they always prefer and some organizations require pre registration that I wasn't sure if I was missing something.

    i have been wanting to do WP but I never see anything close by for us to give it a try. I looked Iwpa there is nothing for the west. I even checked adba but nothing out this way. I suppose I could make the drive and see what it's like it is $15 that is way cheaper then dock jumping. The only thing I looked up the address for the pull it looks like it is residential?
     
  7. Leslie H

    Leslie H Good Dog

    No pre-registration, no membership needed. I've pulled APA quite a bit, and judged some as well. Is it a rails pull, most are? If so, has Peanut been on rails? Some dogs are bothered by the noise.
    Only big rule differences are unlimited passes, no fouls (you're out on your first foul), and the weight increment varies, it's up to the judge. So say the judge adds 6 blocks, the dogs all pull it really easily. They might add 10 blocks on the next drop.
     
  8. ShanaRowan

    ShanaRowan FlirtPolin' Premium Member

    Oh, I did dock jumping a few times, so I can see where you would think that. Yeah, there's almost never pre-registration with weight pull.

    IWPA season is Sept - March, so that's probably why it looks like there's no events in your region yet. They are actually pretty good about updating the site once the season starts. It costs $40 for a membership per year, although again, you can pull with them even if you aren't a member, just can't work on titles.

    It's common for people to hold WP events at their homes, so the residential address makes sense :) I hope to be able to do it some day. Way cheaper than having to rent out a facility.
     
  9. Team Peanut

    Team Peanut GRCH Dog

    Awesome advice and info Leslie and Shana. Peanut has never been on a track before just been working with him at home he loves it do I figure why not give it a try. He doesn't spook by sounds he sleeps thru fireworks even so I hope rails don't bother him. The apa pull is like 40 minute drive and $15 so I think we will give it a try :) I'm pretty excited.
     
  10. Leslie H

    Leslie H Good Dog

    Have a great time. I would start him at a low weight, sometimes they increase the weight pretty quickly if it's pulling easily. There's no maximum start weight like there is in some orgs.

    I may be turning to you for dock diving advice. Scheme's gone to a couple try its and really enjoys it.
     
  11. Team Peanut

    Team Peanut GRCH Dog


    Thanks is I definately will start him low. Once he gets going he has pretty good form hes pulling about 80 pounds I been creative in our practicing he's pulling a laundry basket with 5 gallon water bottles hey it's what I have my only real issue he takes a bit to get started but we are working on that. When we are practicing it seems like it takes forever but it really is just a few seconds. When I practice him basically I am focusing on his starts I first start him with nothing attached to his harness one he's doing pretty good I attach the basket do the same then add a bottle for weight. He is really enthusiastic.

    i would love to give you tips on dock diving I love helping out where I can and especially within the breed not enough out there. Also I have learned they jump different then other breeds. I have been fortunate to be friends with some owners that have some record holding dogs so I have gotten a lot of great advice so I don't mind passing along what I have learned.
     
  12. Leslie H

    Leslie H Good Dog

    Well I would certainly appreciate advice. I'm intrigued to hear that they jump different than other breeds. They do everything else different. She does enjoy it a lot, and I suspect she's got good potential. Her best jump today (1st competition, about 5th time ever) was 14'9". I know that's not much, but I was still very happy w/her.
     
  13. Team Peanut

    Team Peanut GRCH Dog

    They really do labs will just jump mals are straight naturals and apbts think about it. I have noticed with Peanut and seen it with other peoples apbts they want everything to be the same each time on the dock if something is off he will jump off a lot of people if the dog breaks the stay they can reset the dog not true of Peanut I reset him he's done for the weekend he acts as if he's done something wrong.

    14 feet 9 is a great start! Peanuts first jump was 10 feet 10 inches. She really sounds like she has potential and a natural. If you have video I'd love to see it I can give you tips get her really going.
     
  14. Leslie H

    Leslie H Good Dog

    Thank you for the advice about the need for routine.
    I don't have any video. I'm a low tech person w/a flip phone. She does not tend to hesitate, but she does tend to jump flat. She doesn't really look at the ball, probably because I'm such a wretched shot, and the ball's location is unpredictable. Her sit stay is so so, so I have only been setting her back about 10 feet or so, as I don't want her to break (this is our current project in agility). She has a very big stride, if that matters. She loves it, and is screaming while she waits, and is frenetically jumping around if we wait to close to the stairs.
     
  15. Team Peanut

    Team Peanut GRCH Dog

    Lol that is how Peanut is when it's not his turn. To get her popping and tracking better to try this in practice some you can play around anyway you have her sit about 10 feet on the dock like you have her your throw is going to be literally a little flick of your wrist as she is approaching just out in front of her so she will be catching it. By doing this you will have her looking for the toy. Here is a video of peanut and I practicing just that so you can see what I mean about the throw. [video=youtube_share;jNmQgQo14mU]http://youtu.be/jNmQgQo14mU[/video]
     
  16. Leslie H

    Leslie H Good Dog

    That's very cool. I joined the local club (only 50 min away, lucky me), so I can rent it (I'm off next week, more lucky). I'll have a chance to practice this, thank you.
     
  17. Team Peanut

    Team Peanut GRCH Dog

    Not a problem I hope this helps =)

    any tips for wp starts?
     
  18. ShanaRowan

    ShanaRowan FlirtPolin' Premium Member

    Try to keep his head as low to the ground as possible. People do what works for them, but I point at the ground as close to my dog's head as that organization's rules allow. Try to discourage slingshotting (where the dog slams into the harness towards you and the cart jerks forward too hard, they'll probably tell you not to do it.) Straighten out the rope connecting the cart to the D-ring on the back of the harness, have him be sitting or standing at your attention, then move back and go! You don't want him to be jumping up in the air or getting crazy. Just a methodical, steady pace. It's fine if he doesn't move in a perfectly straight line, some dogs work better when they weave around a bit, especially when it gets heavy. And of course, be super positive and happy when he does well. Whatever weight he quits on, you might want to ask if you can have him pull it again with them pushing the cart so he can end on a positive note. At least, that's how I do things :)
     
  19. Leslie H

    Leslie H Good Dog

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    APA will let you get a moving start if you prefer, it depends on how you trained. This is an APA pull in the video, but most of them are much less formal. As Shana said, it's better if your dog drops their head, but your dog's structure (more upright shoulder, short upper arm), and a poorly fitted harness can both interfere. You can see I encourage Scheme to pull low, but she does naturally anyway, both her parents have very nice pulling form.

    I don't like dogs to pull from side to side, but I don't pull on snow or wheels on dirt, where that could be an advantage, because the track has high and low spots, and possibly sticky spots. On a rail track, side to side is going to be a disadvantage.

    How much pulling has Peanut done? A light rail cart might come up behind him much faster than he expects, if he starts fast. Some dogs are startled by this. If he's pulled in organizations like IWPA or UKC, he might be more comfortable starting from a standstill. I like to give a dog just a little bit of slack, though I am the slingshot queen.

    Scheme's jumps today ranged from 14' even (tired dog) up to 16'8". I was talking to an experienced club member who gave me the same advice you did, little short pops to get her up. What kind of toy were you using in your video? It looks easy for the dog to grab.
     
  20. Leslie H

    Leslie H Good Dog

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    A start in training. She does hit it pretty hard.
     

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