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Amstaff's Noses

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by CoolHandJean, Apr 30, 2008.

  1. AnnieC

    AnnieC Good Dog

    I have known people that "chalk" the dogs noses too, if it is not the perfect color. I competed in AKC junior showmanship with Standard Poodles growing up, and a little bit or regular conformation with them, but stopped when I was 20. I didn't know all the rules when I was little, but as I got older, I was surprised when I learned it is technically against the rules to use the colored chalk and stuff to fix the coloring of noses and fur. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if this had happened. A LOT of people do it.
  2. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

  3. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

  4. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    Litter mates. Same dogs right there. No matter who registers them , or what they register them as.

    8 Months old ( approx 32lbs )
  5. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    Here is a female out of the same litter / belly.
    7Months old. ( Approx. 28lbs - 30lbs )[​IMG]
  6. kiaransimba

    kiaransimba Good Dog

    The second Pic that you posted is about the color Kiara has but hers is a lil darker
  7. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    Can we see a pic of her?
  8. kiaransimba

    kiaransimba Good Dog

    I have to get a new cam, Simba broke mine:no2: I should be able to get them on here next weekend
  9. Teal

    Teal Krypto Super Dog Premium Member

    Yup! We chalked red and white dogs, and used something (I'm not sure what) on the noses to make them a darker, shiny black. It IS against the rules, because it is misrepresenting the dog... but, that's about all AKC showing is! Coated breeds are trimmed to hide their flaws when looked at, but nothing can hide them from the judge's hands!

    ETA: I didn't know any better at the time, this was like 6 years ago. After I got away from that handler and looked into things more, I realized that what she was doing wasn't how things should be done!
  10. AnnieC

    AnnieC Good Dog

    I feel the same. If I ever do get back into showing, I don't want to use that stuff. I have learned a lot since then. I just remember the chalk and dyes, but then again, it was Standard Poodles I was working with then, I was young, and didn't pay too much attention to what other breeds did, just the other standard poos. I did go around and see the other breeds, I just didn't pay much attention with their prepping, poodles take 8 hours or more, so I was busy helping.
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  11. Teal

    Teal Krypto Super Dog Premium Member

    Poodles take FOR-f'ing-EVER! I remember a show where the people next to us had a herd of toy poodles... they spent 9 hours on EACH one, and they seriously had like 14! They took turns getting 2-3 hours of sleep, and working on the dogs!

    If I ever show a dog of my own, I am going with a non-coated breed and going all natural!
  12. AnnieC

    AnnieC Good Dog

    Oh, that 8 hours is ONLY the time we spent at the show getting ready, we did EVERYTHING we could at home the day and night before. Most shows were Sat/Sun, we would start preparing the dogs Thurs. Not to mention that they all had to be brushed once a week. The only reason not anymore than that is because all their hair was wrapped up and in braids and pony tails between shows. There is a reason my aunt typically only brought 2 or 3 dogs with us at a time, I think the most we brought to a show was 5 one time. I think there may be a reason I like a short haired breed, even though my civilian job is a pet groomer, lol.

    That said, she no longer shows, but still breeds, in fact, if you are looking for a standard poodle, DO NOT ASK ME because I will not recommend her. She breeds all of her females once a year, she only has one male now. She has one female that actually started eating her pups, but now she makes sure to breed her at the same time as another female, and the other female takes care of all the puppies. The dogs are bred once a year until they are 10, and her new ones are no longer health tested. That is why I stopped handling for her. Shortly thereafter she just quit the shows all together and focused on making money breeding. Her dogs don't have such great temperaments anymore either. They keep getting loose and killing other animals, a while ago, they got loose and SLAUGHTERED their neighbor across the street's schnauzer, I mean this dog was in pieces. She has her back yard fenced in, and a walkout basement, and a doggy door she shuts them down there, goes down to fill the feeder (its one of those bins with a door, so they always have food available) and until they are about due to give pups, that is all the attention they get. Sorry about the rant, but she just angers me, just thinking of those poor dogs anymore, and YES I have confronted her, and YES some of her puppies have kinda "disappeared" when they have been seen loose, but never out of her yard. Not to mention how many of her dogs have been hit by a car, including Zeus, who, was one beautiful animal, that I showed to his championship. Beautiful Chocolate with those brown eyes and nose, He was GORGEOUS. (she had a litter sired by him when he died, so she just kept one of those pups, and that is her stud now)
  13. Teal

    Teal Krypto Super Dog Premium Member

    Oh I bet! I had to groom a bouvier for show... the show was on Saturday, and I had to start grooming him on Monday! Bathing, drying, clipping, brushing... 14 hours the first day! Then each day after that... sponge bathing, drying, fluffing, making sure the trim was perfect. 6 hours each of THOSE days! It is INSANE what people do, and put those dogs through! Though, I must say, he LOVED being groomed... but I know they all don't! I had to work with a Wheaten who HATED showing... everything about it, from the grooming to the leads and he wanted to kill anyone to do with it :( But, his owners wanted a champion dog to stud out... so he kept being shown. I only worked with that handler twice - she was very professional, and treated the dogs like objects. The second handler I worked for was AWESOME, much more laid back - she made showing fun, and treated the dogs like her own... always petting/kissing/baby talking.

    Isn't it amazing how insane the AKC show world is? From what I've heard about all the other registries, they are "family oriented" and you don't have to dress up and you can't hire someone to show your dog!
  14. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    Just so you know, true rednose dogs can't produce black pigment. So a rednose dog isn't going to have black anywhere on their body. The same for blue dogs; they can't produce black pigment, only blue. However, you can have a black- or blue-nosed dog that is lacking pigment in spots, and will appear to have pink on their noses, eyerims, lips, etc. So if your dog has black pigment anywhere on her, then she's a black-nosed dog who is simply pigment-challenged. :)

    Anyway, to the topic, like Patch said, rednose dogs can pop up in AKC litters, but they're frowned upon. Same as blue (which is also not black, so therefore not preferred). I would imagine that the vast majority of rednose dogs are APBTs rather than AmStaffs, but the latter does happen.
  15. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    I knew that was possible in the APBT, because the litter Tess came from had a mixture of red and black noses. Tess was the only black brindle. The majority were buckskin, and some were red with rednoses...

    I was just confused like I stated before, because I thought when the Amstaff branched off. I thought they only would breed black nose to black nose. I didn't think red noses were put in the breeding pool.
  16. EDOGZ818

    EDOGZ818 Big Dog

    "I was just confused like I stated before, because I thought when the Amstaff branched off. I thought they only would breed black nose to black nose. I didn't think red noses were put in the breeding pool."

    That's where the differances come into play. Color isn't a qualifying trait to get into the APBT gene pool. ( As opposed to gameness ) I wouldn't disqualify a game dog because of his color. Nor would I qualify one for the same reason.

    This is why my opinion of Amstaff's is what it is:

    Bred to look like an APBT, instead of being bred to be one. ( JMHO )
  17. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    I don't think that's just your opinion...I mean I thought that was the whole point of branching off. The APBT stayed as a "pit" dog, and the Amstaff was branched off to make a show dog and to "distance" themselves from the pit...

    To everyone, Thanks for helping me clear that up. :)
  18. AnnieC

    AnnieC Good Dog

    I agree with you wholeheartedly on this!
  19. AnnieC

    AnnieC Good Dog

    The AKC show world is almost scary and extremely political. Its sad that a lot of it has to do with who you know... I've seen some very ugly dogs place ahead of perfect ones, really makes you wonder. I haven't shown in the other organizations, and I hope it isn't as bad. Maybe someday I will, but in my area there isn't much other than AKC for show, not unless I want to take a weekend trip and travel 2 states away.
  20. kiaransimba

    kiaransimba Good Dog

    Okay she is now 18 wks old and her nose has gotten alot darker from when I first brought her home so maybe it will turn black who knows...lol

    I didn't know that Bahamutt, thanks for that. Now her nose is more of a dark burgandy color so I guess I have a black nosed dog that is pigment-challenged...lol I don't care what she is I still love her!!...:D

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