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American pit bull terrier

Discussion in 'Today's APBT' started by noahthestar, Sep 10, 2014.

  1. Kphillips0899

    Kphillips0899 Little Dog

    its basically saying that their original intent was not dog on dog fighting. Their original purpose was more geared towards ratting and bull baiting. After the 1835 outlaw of big game pit fights (and the bubonic plague that scared most away from ratting) owners found it easier to engage in dog on dog pits and that became the norm. Thats what ive read from multiple sources. Pit bulls were not originally bred to be dog fighters.
     
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  2. Kphillips0899

    Kphillips0899 Little Dog

    so i think while it is a very apparent trait now, it wasnt the soul original intent to be specifically dog aggressive.
     
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  3. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Super Moderator

    Sure, not originally, but those weren't the same APBT. After bull-bating was made illegal, selective breeding began to create the ultimate dog-fighting dog. This created a whole new generation of dogs with the sole purpose of dog-on-dog combat.
     
  4. Kphillips0899

    Kphillips0899 Little Dog

    Agreed. After that time period it did become the norm, and they where selectively bred accordingly.
     
  5. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Super Moderator

    Oops, I meant bull-baiting. *

    And yes.
     
  6. Kphillips0899

    Kphillips0899 Little Dog

    (random kinda-off topic thought) those old school bulldogs where beautiful though.

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  7. DancesWithCurs

    DancesWithCurs Good Dog

    IMO, you're mixing the breed itself with it's predecessor. Once bull baiting was outlawed and dog-fighting became the next big thing, dogs were bred for the general sport of dog on dog combat. New blood was added and then that dog came over with the immigrants coming to America, where dog fighting became popular and English/Irish imports were re-added to the bloodline by dogmen such as Colby and that was the dog that became the APBT. While the APBT is the direct descendant of that bull and terrier cross, I would have to argue it is itself not that actual cross, much in the way that a German Shepherd is not a Saarloos Wolfhound and a Rottweiler is not a Doberman, despite the heavy influences by both on the respective new breeds and there was much development and need for new blood, such as for the american preference of a bigger dog
     
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  8. Kphillips0899

    Kphillips0899 Little Dog

    very valid point. Would've loved to own or even seen an old school black/tan terrier in person.

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  9. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Super Moderator

    Yes that's true, I suppose they weren't even really a "Pit" Bull Terrier until the pit dog fights started.
     
  10. Kphillips0899

    Kphillips0899 Little Dog

    well ratting was in a "pit" setting as well. Everything ive read about bull baiting states during the event the bulls were tied to a stake with a 30 ft chain, some say in a hole or "pit" others where not, guess it depended at the time. Im sure it was solidified with the dog fights though.
     
  11. DancesWithCurs

    DancesWithCurs Good Dog

    My thoughts too, except for the original Bull Terrier
     
  12. Kaang

    Kaang Puppy

    I believe they were bred for farm work then later used for fighting. I plan to use mine to hunt hogs. I don't really understand the farm work part what could a pit actually do to help on a farm? Destroy the less aggressive herding dogs..
     
  13. CrazyK9

    CrazyK9 Good Dog

    Exactly my point several posts up lol.
     
  14. catchrcall

    catchrcall Good Dog Staff Member

    Catch work, vermin control, some can help move cattle or sheep, a friend of ours had one that would pin down a chicken with his paws for her until she got there. She could even point out which chicken. A pit bull doesn't have to be a mindless rampaging beast. Bred right they can actually be useful. Better read up some before you go trying to hog hunt. That aside, they were bred originally to dog fight. Some turned out to be useful for farm work.
     
  15. Cosmic Charlie

    Cosmic Charlie Good Dog

    The predecessors of the American Pit Bull Terrier were used for a variety of jobs, such as farm work, hunting, sport etc. These dogs were selectively bred through generations in order to compose the ultimate fighting dog. The breed that was formed through selectively breeding for fighting was the American Pit Bull Terrier. So yes, the APBT was bred for fighting and NOT farm work. Sure, just like today dogs can be used for an array of jobs and sports. It's just that the APBT was not bred for farm work and then made into fighters. The name alone tells you enough, American Pit Bull Terrier which correlates to the "pit" dogs fought in. The breed name would be different if they were originally selectively bred for another reason. Maybe the American Farm Bull Terrier.:lol:
    Post a few photos of your dogs if you don't mind... Did you purchase them with the goal of hog hunting in mind? What genetics? Any experience with selecting catch dogs.

    As for farm work, I am not sure how successful a bull dog would be for let's say herding. I doubt very good with a solid prey drive. Maybe to keep wild animals away. The APBT wasn't selectively bred with farm work in mind, rather the predecessors were more farm work oriented.
     
  16. catchrcall

    catchrcall Good Dog Staff Member

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  17. noahthestar

    noahthestar Little Dog

    Sooooooo does anybody have a article/studie that shows DA is indeed genetic in this breed. (Didnt want to start a new thread)

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  18. TannerG

    TannerG Boss Member

    Just look at old pedigrees

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  19. noahthestar

    noahthestar Little Dog

    yeaaaa, but i wanna see a study.

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  20. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    You seriously need to see a study to convince yourself that DA is an inherited trait in a breed that was selectively bred for combat against other dogs? You're not going to find one. Go research behavioral genetics.
     

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